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Author Topic:   Broken Thinking Skills & Pointless Discussion
Phat
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Message 70 of 75 (920568)
10-25-2024 12:10 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by Taq
10-25-2024 11:34 AM


Regarding Broken Thinking Skills
Taq writes:
I can only speak for myself, but I have run across many people who have the same experiences as I have. I was a pretty curious kid growing up in the church, and I made peace with science and Christian theology at a young age. It wasn't a stumbling block for me. Rather, it was a whole host of other issues that led me away from the faith, such as the problem of suffering and the rather strong correlation between where you are born and what religious beliefs you accept. When I asked myself if I would be Hindu if I grew up in India and the answer was probably yes, that made me question a lot of things.
Blaming God for the actions of man (be they religious men or secular humanists) is a common human response to the problem of suffering and injustice.
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* He gave humanity “truly godlike” qualities, his free will to share in shaping creation, the source both of humanity’s suffering and dignity, to make choices. God “can’t just swoop down and make our lives perfect. That would be an insult against our humanity, our nature. It would violate the very free spirit he gave us. . . . He must allow man rope, even if he hangs himself.”

Israel is hanging itself. It's not God's fault.

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Phat
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Message 72 of 75 (920613)
10-31-2024 3:23 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by Taq
10-25-2024 12:41 PM


Re: Regarding Broken Thinking Skills
Taq writes:
First, I'm not blaming God. What I am doing is seeing if the world I see is consistent with the loving God described by the Bible. What I see is a universe that is indistinguishable from one where God does not exist.
First of all, you are not addressing evil. In the Bible there are two spirits.
1)The Holy Spirit
2) All of the other ones self-willed to exist in rebellion to God.
What I see in this world is a world where the other independent "spirits" are in control. It is only by God's grace that we still exist at all.

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Phat
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Message 74 of 75 (920618)
11-02-2024 9:51 AM
Reply to: Message 73 by Taq
10-31-2024 3:45 PM


Re: Regarding Broken Thinking Skills
Taq writes:
What I am doing is seeing if the world I see is consistent with the loving God described by the Bible.
The *loving* God of the Bible can only really be understood through the lens of Jesus Christ. And Jesus can only be understood by comparing what words were attributed to Him with reality.
Taq writes:
What I see is a universe that is indistinguishable from one where God does not exist.
Thats partly because you see a lot of injustice and assume that God is morally culpable for fixing it or preventing it.
Taq writes:
Second, I am not talking about the actions of men. I am talking about suffering, such as the millions of children who die from malaria or cancer.
I think that Percy is talking more about the actions of men. (...) specifically, men who call themselves either devout Jews or Christians.
Taq writes:
...are there invisible entities that no one can perceive doing things that no one can perceive, and a deity that no one can perceive that is somehow stopping it all?
The Deity is not stopping anything. The Deity is allowing destiny to fulfill its course. Humans are responsible for resisting evil. One could argue that intrinsic evil is causing much of the world misery but evidence will show only that this evil originates from humans. As POGO said, "We have met the enemy and he is us."
Taq writes:
That's quite a winding road of a story you have there.
I'm sure the story has and will also have a few plot twists. One could argue that the story is being written with our broken thinking skills contributing to the narrative.

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