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Author Topic:   Broken Thinking Skills & Pointless Discussion
Taq
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Message 69 of 75 (920566)
10-25-2024 11:34 AM
Reply to: Message 67 by Phat
10-24-2024 10:38 AM


Re: Regarding Deconstruction
Phat writes:
That was a good post. What fascinates me about you is that despite your public stance of dismissing religion, you seem to have not thrown personal belief away and kept it as a developing option. Or am I only hoping this to be so?
I think the main point is that science shouldn't be a stumbling block for those seeking to keep their faith. YEC is pretty much an own goal when it comes to keeping people in the faith.
I can only speak for myself, but I have run across many people who have the same experiences as I have. I was a pretty curious kid growing up in the church, and I made peace with science and Christian theology at a young age. It wasn't a stumbling block for me. Rather, it was a whole host of other issues that led me away from the faith, such as the problem of suffering and the rather strong correlation between where you are born and what religious beliefs you accept. When I asked myself if I would be Hindu if I grew up in India and the answer was probably yes, that made me question a lot of things.

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Message 71 of 75 (920569)
10-25-2024 12:41 PM
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10-25-2024 12:10 PM


Re: Regarding Broken Thinking Skills
Phat writes:
Blaming God for the actions of man (be they religious men or secular humanists) is a common human response to the problem of suffering and injustice.
First, I'm not blaming God. What I am doing is seeing if the world I see is consistent with the loving God described by the Bible. What I see is a universe that is indistinguishable from one where God does not exist.
Second, I am not talking about the actions of men. I am talking about suffering, such as the millions of children who die from malaria or cancer.

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Message 73 of 75 (920615)
10-31-2024 3:45 PM
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10-31-2024 3:23 PM


Re: Regarding Broken Thinking Skills
Phat writes:
What I see in this world is a world where the other independent "spirits" are in control. It is only by God's grace that we still exist at all.
How are you able to see this? Can you take a photo and share it?
Or are there invisible entities that no one can perceive doing things that no one can perceive, and a deity that no one can perceive that is somehow stopping it all. That's quite a winding road of a story you have there.

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Message 75 of 75 (920632)
11-04-2024 12:33 PM
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11-02-2024 9:51 AM


Re: Regarding Broken Thinking Skills
Phat writes:
Thats partly because you see a lot of injustice and assume that God is morally culpable for fixing it or preventing it.
What I see is injustice caused by men, and no supernatural deity doing anything about it. Again, the universe is indistinguishable from a universe where God does not exist.
I think that Percy is talking more about the actions of men. (...) specifically, men who call themselves either devout Jews or Christians.
I am talking about horrific suffering from disease through the fault of no one.
The Deity is not stopping anything. The Deity is allowing destiny to fulfill its course.
That is indistinguishable from a universe where God does not exist.

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