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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 9.7 |
Thanks.
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq Why should anyone debate someone who doesn't know the subject? -- AZPaul3 If you are going to argue that evolution is false because it resembles your own beliefs then perhaps you should rethink your argument. - - Taq
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 9.7 |
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What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq Why should anyone debate someone who doesn't know the subject? -- AZPaul3 If you are going to argue that evolution is false because it resembles your own beliefs then perhaps you should rethink your argument. - - Taq
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 9.7 |
Yep, I forgot about Johnson, deciding not to run in '68.
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq Why should anyone debate someone who doesn't know the subject? -- AZPaul3 If you are going to argue that evolution is false because it resembles your own beliefs then perhaps you should rethink your argument. - - Taq
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Percy Member Posts: 22945 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
GDR writes in Message 49: Good point. The Democratic membership had no say in it but it was a decision taken by those who hold power in the Democratic party. I agree that the "Democratic membership had no say," but not that it was "a decision taken by those who hold power in the Democratic party." All the news reports say the same thing, that it was a personal decision made by Biden in consideration of all the advice and feedback he had been given, some public, some private, and in consultation with his family.
My own unevidenced belief is that Biden isn't really calling the shots now anyway. I'm guessing that it is people like Obama and Pelosi. Why do you think that? Even a Biden in full dementia would seem unlikely to let others siphon off control. Have you ever dealt with a willful dementia patient who's been accustomed to being in control their entire life? I just can't see a modestly compromised Biden ceding control to others. Delegating more, yes, but giving up any control, no.
Percy writes:
As I said, I was wrong to do that. Is "mental fitness" a synonym for "cognitive impairment" now? I think that brings us more in agreement. --Percy
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PaulK Member Posts: 17916 Joined: Member Rating: 6.7 |
I hope he realised just what he’s been doing - at least in part. At least we were spared the usual pretence that debate here is just personal attacks. But we didn’t get any sort of apology either.
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GDR Member Posts: 6223 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 3.8 |
Percy writes:
I'd venture to say that not all the news reports say the same thing. Sure that's the position of the democratic party. Don't you think it's a bit odd that he didn't come out and make a formal announcement but through a post on twitter just hours after announcing that he was definitely staying in the race.?
I agree that the "Democratic membership had no say," but not that it was "a decision taken by those who hold power in the Democratic party." All the news reports say the same thing, that it was a personal decision made by Biden in consideration of all the advice and feedback he had been given, some public, some private, and in consultation with his family. Pres. Biden withdrawal Here is a quote from that wiki page.
quote: Percy writes: Why do you think that? Even a Biden in full dementia would seem unlikely to let others siphon off control. Have you ever dealt with a willful dementia patient who's been accustomed to being in control their entire life? I just can't see a modestly compromised Biden ceding control to others. Delegating more, yes, but giving up any control, no. Well, we have od idea what pressure they put on him. Edited by GDR, : dumb error He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8
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GDR Member Posts: 6223 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 3.8 |
PaulK writes:
I'll apologise for being slow in responding but I have been tied up recently. I hope he realised just what he’s been doing - at least in part. At least we were spared the usual pretence that debate here is just personal attacks. But we didn’t get any sort of apology either.He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8
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Percy Member Posts: 22945 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
GDR writes in Message 81: Percy writes:
I'd venture to say that not all the news reports say the same thing. I agree that the "Democratic membership had no say," but not that it was "a decision taken by those who hold power in the Democratic party." All the news reports say the same thing, that it was a personal decision made by Biden in consideration of all the advice and feedback he had been given, some public, some private, and in consultation with his family. Find a *news* report saying something different.
Sure that's the position of the democratic party. No, that's the news.
Don't you think it's a bit odd that he didn't come out and make a formal announcement but through a post on twitter just hours after announcing that he was definitely staying in the race? I find many, many things about modern administrating and campaigning odd, especially the use of social media. I have no idea what's considered the proper way to release information anymore.
Pres. Biden withdrawal Here is a quote from that wiki page.
quote: My account and Wikipedia's say basically the same thing. If you think you see meaningful differences you'll have to point them out. Obviously I expressed things in my own words, just as whoever wrote the Wikipedia account expressed things in theirs. And of course my account, never intended as part of an entry in an on-line encyclopaedia, was more brief and less detailed.
Percy writes: Why do you think that? Even a Biden in full dementia would seem unlikely to let others siphon off control. Have you ever dealt with a willful dementia patient who's been accustomed to being in control their entire life? I just can't see a modestly compromised Biden ceding control to others. Delegating more, yes, but giving up any control, no. Well, we have no idea what pressure they put on him. And what conclusions do you draw from this information that we have "no idea" about? --Percy
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PaulK Member Posts: 17916 Joined: Member Rating: 6.7 |
quote: That’s not what you should be apologising for.
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GDR Member Posts: 6223 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 3.8 |
Sure it was Biden's decision but he was under serious pressure to pull out by senior democrats. Without their support the campaign was hopeless and so they left him no real choice but to pull out. Here is an NBC report.
Biden's withdrawal Percy writes: No, that's the news. The news reports were mainly what the the Democratic released, the rest was all speculation.
Percy writes: And what conclusions do you draw from this information that we have "no idea" about? I simply conclude that there was so much pressure put on him that re withdrew against his will essentially along the lines of that NBC article. That is simply my opinion from as an interested observer. He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8
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PaulK Member Posts: 17916 Joined: Member Rating: 6.7 |
quote: Note that it agrees with what I was saying:
Biden’s call appeared to hinge entirely on political factors, rather than concerns about his health or his ability to do his job.
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Taq Member Posts: 10299 Joined: Member Rating: 7.2
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GDR writes:
Sure that's the position of the democratic party.
In the opening post you wrote: "What I want to know is why the Democratic party came to the conclusion that President Biden was cognitively impaired and should step down as the candidate but, leave him still in office." What is the actual position of the Democratic party? Their conclusion was that Biden was politically damaged and couldn't win. They did NOT conclude that Biden was cognitively impaired. So your premise from the opening post doesn't stand. Was Biden forced out of the race in some manner? Yes, absolutely. Without pressure he wouldn't have left the race. So what?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 6.1
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Don't you think it's a bit odd that he didn't come out and make a formal announcement but through a post on twitter just hours after announcing that he was definitely staying in the race.?
First of all, please show the times. Secondly, we all believe something until we don't The moment we change our mind is instantaneous. Do you have precognition of when you are going to change your mind? What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?
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Percy Member Posts: 22945 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.9
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GDR writes in Message 85: Sure it was Biden's decision but he was under serious pressure to pull out by senior democrats. Without their support the campaign was hopeless and so they left him no real choice but to pull out. I never offered that link. It must be yours. If by "no real choice" you mean that Biden couldn't see a path to victory for him, then sure.
Here is an NBC report.
Biden's withdrawal This is the exact same link again, your link. There was probably a cut-n-paste error.
Percy writes: No, that's the news. The news reports were mainly what the the Democratic released, the rest was all speculation. Many spoke publicly, but more importantly, when it comes to a choice between actual news and speculation, you're choosing speculation. You can apply the techniques you're using to literally anything. "Doesn't it seem odd to you that..." is the equivalent of Donald Trump's "They're saying..." With this approach no evidence is needed.
Percy writes: And what conclusions do you draw from this information that we have "no idea" about? I simply conclude that there was so much pressure put on him that re withdrew against his will essentially along the lines of that NBC article. That is simply my opinion from as an interested observer.I'm not going to read a bare link. If you'd like to make the arguments the article is making in your own words and offer the link as a supporting reference then that's up to you. I suspect it says pretty much the same thing as what I and Wikipedia already said. I read a number of articles at the time, and while they all had their own way of expressing things and their own slant, they all reported the same facts. Your points and arguments must make sense to you, otherwise you wouldn't be making them, but to me you're coming across just as you did in the Choosing a faith thread, as disingenuously offering speculation and the absence of facts to argue positions that have little to no support. --Percy Edited by Percy, : Fix mistake in quoting.
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