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Author Topic:   2024 US Presidential Election
Phat
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Message 1487 of 1516 (920147)
09-05-2024 10:04 AM
Reply to: Message 1482 by Theodoric
09-02-2024 7:36 PM


Re: I'd Walk A Mile For A Kamala
You don't have the facts and the data to accurately broadcast "the truth". Neither does your party. Not to say you are all bad people. Yet you say that I am a defacto member of a cult. As if I do not think for myself. Am I wrong? You have a rock to crawl under just as I do. But your peanut gallery will defend you. They will claim that I surely must be delusional and unable to think. Never mind that I might have arrived at some sane conclusions.

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Message 1488 of 1516 (920148)
09-05-2024 10:12 AM
Reply to: Message 1487 by Phat
09-05-2024 10:04 AM


Re: I'd Walk A Mile For A Kamala
The only person looking for "truth" is you. We are asking for and looking for facts and evidence. Things you know nothing about an do not possess.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?


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Phat
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Message 1489 of 1516 (920149)
09-05-2024 10:16 AM
Reply to: Message 1485 by Percy
09-05-2024 9:12 AM


Re: Russian Propaganda Spread By American Influencers
Percy writes:
The DOJ has charged Kostiantyn Kalashnikov and Elena Afanasyeva of Russia Today, the Russian state media broadcaster, of funding Tenet Media of Tennessee to recruit American influencers to spread Russian propaganda using YouTube, TikTok, Instagram and X (formerly known as respectable).
What? Elon Musk defected to the "dark side"?! It used to be that Americans could disagree and still be thought of as sane. You have fallen for the lie that only one side represents truth and the other side is a cult. And you see no problem with this?
I'll tell you a bit about my side. We believe that the world is embroiled in a spiritual war for the very soul of humanity. So do you, but you believe it is entirely human-caused. You believe that Trump is a threat to Democracy, while I believe that Democracy (or the American way of life) was in trouble before Trump, during Trump, and after Trump.
Kamala won't fix that. All that we agree on is that there is a war. Perhaps we can form a consensus without pointing the blame at each other.
Percy writes:
The views of MAGA supporters will undoubtedly be unswayed by this revelation (unsurprising to those not steeped in MAGA propaganda) that the views they've been bombarded with ever since Trump came on the political scene align pretty well with the Kremlin's.
All that I see is that both MAGA and the Kremlin are conservative. We differ from Putin's autocracy. Why do you think we warn people about the authoritarianism of the Left? But of course you see it as progress.

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Phat
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Message 1490 of 1516 (920150)
09-05-2024 10:18 AM
Reply to: Message 1488 by Theodoric
09-05-2024 10:12 AM


Re: I'd Walk A Mile For A Kamala
The problem is that you think that only your side possesses facts and evidence, little realizing that you have taken it upon yourselves to define truth and rationality to the exclusion of many people.

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Taq
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Message 1491 of 1516 (920151)
09-05-2024 10:24 AM
Reply to: Message 1486 by NosyNed
09-05-2024 9:56 AM


Re: Bankruptcy
NosyNed writes:
All of what you say maybe true. But competent economists do worry about the state of the US economy (and other nations). The deficit is large and producing growing debt. There seems to be no political will on either side to stem the tide so there is a large future risk.
If the debt continues to grow then there is a risk in the future, but there is no imminent bankruptcy in our near future, the kind that Phat thinks is about to happen.

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Message 1492 of 1516 (920152)
09-05-2024 10:25 AM
Reply to: Message 1490 by Phat
09-05-2024 10:18 AM


Re: I'd Walk A Mile For A Kamala
Phat writes:
The problem is that you think that only your side possesses facts and evidence, little realizing that you have taken it upon yourselves to define truth and rationality to the exclusion of many people.
If people believe in made up nonsense it is they who are removing themselves from reality. No one is forcing you to believe nonsense. As the old saw goes, you are entitled to your own opinions but not your own facts.

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Phat
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Message 1493 of 1516 (920153)
09-05-2024 10:29 AM
Reply to: Message 1491 by Taq
09-05-2024 10:24 AM


Re: Bankruptcy
Taq writes:
If the debt continues to grow then there is a risk in the future, but there is no imminent bankruptcy in our near future, the kind that Phat thinks is about to happen.
I dont see the system collapsing just yet, but I do see a definite Recession bordering on being a Depression starting late this year into next year.
When I get time later today I am going to research your stats in Message 1484

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Taq
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Message 1494 of 1516 (920154)
09-05-2024 10:32 AM
Reply to: Message 1489 by Phat
09-05-2024 10:16 AM


Re: Russian Propaganda Spread By American Influencers
Phat writes:
What? Elon Musk defected to the "dark side"?! It used to be that Americans could disagree and still be thought of as sane. You have fallen for the lie that only one side represents truth and the other side is a cult. And you see no problem with this?
How is it a lie?
Trump paid off a porn star to cover up an affair, and yet he will still get around 85% of the evangelical vote. Explain that. He has convinced about 80% of Republicans that he was cheated out of winning the 2020 election, despite not a shred of evidence demonstrating widespread fraud. They even made a golden idol of the man.
I'll tell you a bit about my side. We believe that the world is embroiled in a spiritual war for the very soul of humanity.
And you rally behind one of the least Christ-like people imaginable. Go figure.
You believe that Trump is a threat to Democracy, while I believe that Democracy (or the American way of life) was in trouble before Trump, during Trump, and after Trump.
How was democracy in trouble before Trump?
Trump actually tried to keep himself in power with a coup. When has any other president done that?
All that I see is that both MAGA and the Kremlin are conservative.
Invading Ukraine is conservatism?
Why do you think we warn people about the authoritarianism of the Left?
Psychological projection.

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Taq
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Message 1495 of 1516 (920155)
09-05-2024 10:34 AM
Reply to: Message 1493 by Phat
09-05-2024 10:29 AM


Re: Bankruptcy
Phat writes:
I dont see the system collapsing just yet, but I do see a definite Recession bordering on being a Depression starting late this year into next year.
Recessions are normal, and a healthy part of any economy because they trim out the economic fat (i.e. companies that are too bloated). If you claim there will be a recession next year enough times you will be right at some point. No matter what the national debt is we will have recessions from time to time. Again, that's a normal outcome of market capitalism.

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Tangle
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Message 1496 of 1516 (920156)
09-05-2024 10:53 AM
Reply to: Message 1489 by Phat
09-05-2024 10:16 AM


Re: Russian Propaganda Spread By American Influencers
Do you accept the factual claims we make against Trump Phat?
Most of what you say in his defence is whataboutism - you don't seem to deny his rapes, his bankrupcies, his 'grabbing of pussies', his lying, his fraud, his appalling personal behaviours etc
You just shrug it off and say 'ya boo, what about Harris?’ I just can't get it, you're supposed to be a Christian but this ape is as far away from being a Christian as it's possible to be. How can you support him? How?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Percy
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Message 1497 of 1516 (920159)
09-05-2024 11:33 AM
Reply to: Message 1489 by Phat
09-05-2024 10:16 AM


Re: Russian Propaganda Spread By American Influencers
I hope you feel better soon.
--Percy

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dwise1
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Message 1498 of 1516 (920161)
09-05-2024 12:05 PM
Reply to: Message 1494 by Taq
09-05-2024 10:32 AM


Re: Russian Propaganda Spread By American Influencers
They even made a golden idol of the man.
Not golden, but rather pyrite, AKA "fool's gold".
And only pyrite-plated at that. In keeping both with their new god's fakeness and cheapness.

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Theodoric
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Message 1499 of 1516 (920162)
09-05-2024 12:32 PM
Reply to: Message 1490 by Phat
09-05-2024 10:18 AM


Re: I'd Walk A Mile For A Kamala
But you have presented no facts and evidence. None. Read my signature about facts.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?


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Phat
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Message 1500 of 1516 (920163)
09-05-2024 1:37 PM
Reply to: Message 1497 by Percy
09-05-2024 11:33 AM


Rational Discussion versus Emotional Reactions
Percy writes:
I hope you feel better soon.
Thanks, Percy though I am a bit puzzled why you think you have me figured out. My A1C data is sound.
7 Day Average: 178
14 Day Average: 196
30 Day Average: 199
45 Day Average: 208
In other words, it is dropping. So now what? A Psychiatrist? A Psychologist?
I will admit that there are days when my mental cognition is not what it used to be.
So in the spirit of EvC, I will takle your advice as a positive.

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Theodoric
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From: Northwest, WI, USA
Joined: 08-15-2005
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Message 1501 of 1516 (920164)
09-05-2024 2:03 PM
Reply to: Message 1500 by Phat
09-05-2024 1:37 PM


Re: Rational Discussion versus Emotional Reactions
That is not your A1C, that is your blood glucose level. Is that fasting or non-fasting? Either way 178 is not a good #.
A1C is a %. Anything over 6.4% is diabetes.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?


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