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Phat Member Posts: 18523 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.7
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You don't have the facts and the data to accurately broadcast "the truth". Neither does your party. Not to say you are all bad people. Yet you say that I am a defacto member of a cult. As if I do not think for myself. Am I wrong? You have a rock to crawl under just as I do. But your peanut gallery will defend you. They will claim that I surely must be delusional and unable to think. Never mind that I might have arrived at some sane conclusions.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9426 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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The only person looking for "truth" is you. We are asking for and looking for facts and evidence. Things you know nothing about an do not possess.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?
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Phat Member Posts: 18523 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.7
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Percy writes: The DOJ has charged Kostiantyn Kalashnikov and Elena Afanasyeva of Russia Today, the Russian state media broadcaster, of funding Tenet Media of Tennessee to recruit American influencers to spread Russian propaganda using YouTube, TikTok, Instagram and X (formerly known as respectable). What? Elon Musk defected to the "dark side"?! It used to be that Americans could disagree and still be thought of as sane. You have fallen for the lie that only one side represents truth and the other side is a cult. And you see no problem with this?I'll tell you a bit about my side. We believe that the world is embroiled in a spiritual war for the very soul of humanity. So do you, but you believe it is entirely human-caused. You believe that Trump is a threat to Democracy, while I believe that Democracy (or the American way of life) was in trouble before Trump, during Trump, and after Trump. Kamala won't fix that. All that we agree on is that there is a war. Perhaps we can form a consensus without pointing the blame at each other.
Percy writes: All that I see is that both MAGA and the Kremlin are conservative. We differ from Putin's autocracy. Why do you think we warn people about the authoritarianism of the Left? But of course you see it as progress.
The views of MAGA supporters will undoubtedly be unswayed by this revelation (unsurprising to those not steeped in MAGA propaganda) that the views they've been bombarded with ever since Trump came on the political scene align pretty well with the Kremlin's.
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Phat Member Posts: 18523 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.7
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The problem is that you think that only your side possesses facts and evidence, little realizing that you have taken it upon yourselves to define truth and rationality to the exclusion of many people.
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Taq Member Posts: 10228 Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
NosyNed writes: All of what you say maybe true. But competent economists do worry about the state of the US economy (and other nations). The deficit is large and producing growing debt. There seems to be no political will on either side to stem the tide so there is a large future risk. If the debt continues to grow then there is a risk in the future, but there is no imminent bankruptcy in our near future, the kind that Phat thinks is about to happen.
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Taq Member Posts: 10228 Joined: Member Rating: 5.4
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Phat writes: The problem is that you think that only your side possesses facts and evidence, little realizing that you have taken it upon yourselves to define truth and rationality to the exclusion of many people. If people believe in made up nonsense it is they who are removing themselves from reality. No one is forcing you to believe nonsense. As the old saw goes, you are entitled to your own opinions but not your own facts.
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Phat Member Posts: 18523 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.7
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Taq writes: I dont see the system collapsing just yet, but I do see a definite Recession bordering on being a Depression starting late this year into next year. If the debt continues to grow then there is a risk in the future, but there is no imminent bankruptcy in our near future, the kind that Phat thinks is about to happen.
When I get time later today I am going to research your stats in Message 1484
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Taq Member Posts: 10228 Joined: Member Rating: 5.4
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Phat writes: What? Elon Musk defected to the "dark side"?! It used to be that Americans could disagree and still be thought of as sane. You have fallen for the lie that only one side represents truth and the other side is a cult. And you see no problem with this? How is it a lie? Trump paid off a porn star to cover up an affair, and yet he will still get around 85% of the evangelical vote. Explain that. He has convinced about 80% of Republicans that he was cheated out of winning the 2020 election, despite not a shred of evidence demonstrating widespread fraud. They even made a golden idol of the man.
I'll tell you a bit about my side. We believe that the world is embroiled in a spiritual war for the very soul of humanity. And you rally behind one of the least Christ-like people imaginable. Go figure.
You believe that Trump is a threat to Democracy, while I believe that Democracy (or the American way of life) was in trouble before Trump, during Trump, and after Trump. How was democracy in trouble before Trump? Trump actually tried to keep himself in power with a coup. When has any other president done that?
All that I see is that both MAGA and the Kremlin are conservative. Invading Ukraine is conservatism?
Why do you think we warn people about the authoritarianism of the Left? Psychological projection.
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Taq Member Posts: 10228 Joined: Member Rating: 5.4
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Phat writes: I dont see the system collapsing just yet, but I do see a definite Recession bordering on being a Depression starting late this year into next year. Recessions are normal, and a healthy part of any economy because they trim out the economic fat (i.e. companies that are too bloated). If you claim there will be a recession next year enough times you will be right at some point. No matter what the national debt is we will have recessions from time to time. Again, that's a normal outcome of market capitalism.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9559 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Do you accept the factual claims we make against Trump Phat?
Most of what you say in his defence is whataboutism - you don't seem to deny his rapes, his bankrupcies, his 'grabbing of pussies', his lying, his fraud, his appalling personal behaviours etc You just shrug it off and say 'ya boo, what about Harris?’ I just can't get it, you're supposed to be a Christian but this ape is as far away from being a Christian as it's possible to be. How can you support him? How?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Percy Member Posts: 22806 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.5 |
I hope you feel better soon.
--Percy
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dwise1 Member Posts: 6031 Joined: Member Rating: 5.8 |
They even made a golden idol of the man.
Not golden, but rather pyrite, AKA "fool's gold". And only pyrite-plated at that. In keeping both with their new god's fakeness and cheapness. Edited by dwise1, : "demi-god" -> "new god"
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9426 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
But you have presented no facts and evidence. None. Read my signature about facts.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?
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Phat Member Posts: 18523 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Percy writes: Thanks, Percy though I am a bit puzzled why you think you have me figured out. My A1C data is sound. I hope you feel better soon.7 Day Average: 178 14 Day Average: 196 30 Day Average: 199 45 Day Average: 208 In other words, it is dropping. So now what? A Psychiatrist? A Psychologist? I will admit that there are days when my mental cognition is not what it used to be. So in the spirit of EvC, I will takle your advice as a positive.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9426 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
That is not your A1C, that is your blood glucose level. Is that fasting or non-fasting? Either way 178 is not a good #.
A1C is a %. Anything over 6.4% is diabetes. What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?
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