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Author Topic:   2024 US Presidential Election
Phat
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Message 1472 of 1551 (920109)
09-01-2024 12:02 PM
Reply to: Message 1468 by nwr
08-31-2024 5:41 PM


Re: No, Phat, you are mistaken
nwr writes:
Yes, he has experience at bankrupting businesses. To me, that seems like a negative.
Everything about him seems like a negative to you, which is one reason we disagree. Sooner or later, this country will have to deal with its own potential bankruptcy. Of course, we rarely hear that discussed by any politicians. They all want job security.
nwr writes:
The assassination attempt is not fully explained. However, it is looking as if Thomas Crooks investigated both Biden and Trump and presumably could have shot at either. But Trump was the target of opportunity because his rally was nearby.
Really? I have not been keeping up with that story though it demystifies some questions I had regarding any sort of conspiracy. So Crooks was another one of a long line of lone loonies who wanted to make a name for (themselves), eh? Good thing he missed.

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Phat
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Message 1473 of 1551 (920110)
09-01-2024 12:05 PM
Reply to: Message 1467 by Tangle
08-31-2024 5:34 PM


Re: I'd Walk A Mile For A Kamala
Tangle writes:
I suppose I have to accept that you - and half the US voting public - actually believe that. It's incomprehensible.

I want to say that if that twat wins you'll be the laughing stock of the Western world, but I can't, we're too frightened.
Both you and France now have "progressive" leadership.
Some of us are frightened to see a global coalition of progressives. (Perhaps frightened is too strong of a word...how about concerned?

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Phat
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Message 1474 of 1551 (920112)
09-01-2024 12:10 PM
Reply to: Message 1469 by DrJones*
09-01-2024 12:41 AM


Re: I'd Walk A Mile For A Kamala
It is beginning to look more and more like she might win so you can relax. I hope that at the very least it is an honest election with no cheating.

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nwr
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Message 1475 of 1551 (920115)
09-01-2024 1:14 PM
Reply to: Message 1472 by Phat
09-01-2024 12:02 PM


Re: No, Phat, you are mistaken
Phat writes in Message 1472:
Sooner or later, this country will have to deal with its own potential bankruptcy.
I don't want that to happen. If it happens, it will be due to Republican policies.
So Crooks was another one of a long line of lone loonies who wanted to make a name for (themselves), eh? Good thing he missed.
Yes, that seems likely.

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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Percy
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Message 1476 of 1551 (920120)
09-01-2024 4:19 PM
Reply to: Message 1470 by Phat
09-01-2024 11:50 AM


Re: I'd Walk A Mile For A Kamala
Phat writes in Message 1470:
Stop what?
Stop embarrassing yourself.
--Percy

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scoff
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Message 1477 of 1551 (920121)
09-01-2024 4:39 PM
Reply to: Message 1400 by Theodoric
08-25-2024 6:52 PM


Re: More From the Book on Caste
There is no historical evidence. Absolutely none.
It's mythology. pure and simple. And dangerous fiction.
Why the son of God story is built on mythology, not history | Aeon Essays

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Percy
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Message 1478 of 1551 (920123)
09-02-2024 9:23 AM
Reply to: Message 1477 by scoff
09-01-2024 4:39 PM


Re: More From the Book on Caste
I commented on this over at Message 3813.
--Percy

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Phat
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Message 1479 of 1551 (920124)
09-02-2024 9:44 AM
Reply to: Message 1477 by scoff
09-01-2024 4:39 PM


Scoffing At Propaganda
scoff writes:
It's mythology. pure and simple. And dangerous fiction.
On the contrary, the Aeon Essay that you are spreading is itself dangerous and misleading.
You likely will *scoff* at such a notion, but if you really want to follow the science, take a gander at this seminar concerning the Healing Of An Addicted Brain. Note the process of addiction. Note how the prefrontal lobe of the addicted brain lacks rational reasoning and decision-making capacity. Next, read the article that you sent us carefully and note the words...the conclusions, and the propaganda against reasoning regarding belief and decision-making.
You will find that the dangerous fiction is actually what you are sending people rather than the story outline of Christian belief itself. Quit spreading poison.
Sorry if this is a bit off-topic but scoff needs challenged. Perhaps any further comments regarding scoffs link should follow what Percy suggests and take it over to Message 3813.

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PaulK
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Message 1480 of 1551 (920131)
09-02-2024 2:54 PM


The reality of migrant workers in the US
BBC
Migrant workers face harsh working conditions and low pay - and that’s the legal migrants.
In the headline case a worker died:
Temperatures hovered around 32C (90F). There was not enough drinking water for workers and the farm only allowed one five-minute break during hours-long shifts.
The one place to escape the heat was a bus without air conditioning parked in an open field.
He pleaded that he was unwell, failing - but they just made him work on until he laid down and died.
The report confirmed the death on the farm and mentioned that management "never” called healthcare services or provided first-aid treatment.
Migrant workers face enough - doing dangerous jobs under often appalling conditions for scant pay. They don’t need politicians stirring up hatred on top of that.
How many of the haters would do the same work under the same conditions for the same pay ? Any of them ?
And that’s one reason why I despise Trump and those like him.

  
DrJones*
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Message 1481 of 1551 (920132)
09-02-2024 5:55 PM
Reply to: Message 1474 by Phat
09-01-2024 12:10 PM


Re: I'd Walk A Mile For A Kamala
so you're not going to support your claim that trump is being framed. Typical

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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Theodoric
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Message 1482 of 1551 (920133)
09-02-2024 7:36 PM
Reply to: Message 1481 by DrJones*
09-02-2024 5:55 PM


Re: I'd Walk A Mile For A Kamala
He can't. He knew he couldn't when he made the statement. His cult leader makes them feel they can lie with impunity.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?


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Taq
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Message 1483 of 1551 (920139)
09-04-2024 1:50 PM
Reply to: Message 1470 by Phat
09-01-2024 11:50 AM


Re: I'd Walk A Mile For A Kamala
Phat writes:
Stop what? Free speech? Im just voicing my opinion in my own words.
And yet you feel persecuted and put upon when others do the same thing.

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Taq
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Message 1484 of 1551 (920140)
09-04-2024 1:59 PM
Reply to: Message 1472 by Phat
09-01-2024 12:02 PM


Re: No, Phat, you are mistaken
Phat writes:
Sooner or later, this country will have to deal with its own potential bankruptcy.
Since when? What are you basing this on?
In 2022, about 15% of government revenue was spent on interest payments for the national debt. How is that going to bankrupt us?
Would it be nice to have that 15% back to put into other programs? Absolutely, there is a opportunity cost that comes with paying off a national debt, but it isn't anywhere close to bankrupting us.
As a comparison, I wonder what the average person pays in mortgage interest compared to their annual salary. The numbers I am seeing are about 30% of income is spent on mortgage interest.

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Percy
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Message 1485 of 1551 (920144)
09-05-2024 9:12 AM


Russian Propaganda Spread By American Influencers
The DOJ has charged Kostiantyn Kalashnikov and Elena Afanasyeva of Russia Today, the Russian state media broadcaster, of funding Tenet Media of Tennessee to recruit American influencers to spread Russian propaganda using YouTube, TikTok, Instagram and X (formerly known as respectable).
The founders of Tenet Media, Lauren Chen and her husband Liam Donovan, were unwitting dupes in the scheme, but the views they promoted make them fellow travelers with the Russians. Their videos promoted the idea that Ukraine wasn't deserving of western support, that migrant gangs are invading our country and running rampant, and that transgender people are threats to society. The videos sought to foster division and strengthen views favoring the Russian government.
While the American influencers themselves were unaware of the Russian support, the founders of Tenet Media sought to hide the Russian origins of their funding. If I understand American law properly, this leaves them vulnerable to charges of failing to register as Russian agents.
The views of MAGA supporters will undoubtedly be unswayed by this revelation (unsurprising to those not steeped in MAGA propaganda) that the views they've been bombarded with ever since Trump came on the political scene align pretty well with the Kremlin's.
Of course Russia Today's preferred candidate is Donald Trump.
See:
--Percy

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NosyNed
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Message 1486 of 1551 (920146)
09-05-2024 9:56 AM
Reply to: Message 1484 by Taq
09-04-2024 1:59 PM


Bankruptcy
All of what you say maybe true. But competent economists do worry about the state of the US economy (and other nations). The deficit is large and producing growing debt. There seems to be no political will on either side to stem the tide so there is a large future risk.
I suggest you see if any of the Economist articles on this are publically available.

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