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Taq Member Posts: 10285 Joined: Member Rating: 7.0 |
Theodoric writes: Bull shit. Arafat and the Palestinians had solid proposals. The Israeli's made amorphous oral proposals. Nothing written down.Israel made a take it or leave it offer. They are the ones that cut of negotiations. All negotiations start out with oral proposals. There's no reason to write anything down until there's a basic agreement. That's a poor excuse. If you want to claim that Israel wouldn't budge at one meeting, then fine. Anyone knows that these types of negotiations aren't finished in one meeting. If Arafat were actually serious he would have pushed for more meetings. He didn't. These are the very start of negotiations that you claimed Palestinians wanted. They happened, but the Palestinians never seem interested in realizing them.
Have you read anything besides propaganda about this subject? Did you read the wiki link about the 2000 talks? Do you actually think what Abbas says is an admission of walking away from a legitimate deal? We know the reality is that he did not take Israel's first terms and the Israelis ultimately ended the talks. Have you read anything besides propaganda?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9488 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 6.1 |
Or you could read what people who were actually there saw?
Opinion | Fictions About the Failure At Camp David - The New York Times Did you even bother to look at any of the sources mentioned here? 2000 Camp David Summit - Wikipedia Edited by Theodoric, . What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?
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Taq Member Posts: 10285 Joined: Member Rating: 7.0 |
Theodoric writes: Or you could read what people who were actually there saw?Opinion | Fictions About the Failure At Camp David - The New York Times Did you even bother to look at any of the sources mentioned here? Yes, I looked at them. It was pretty obvious that neither side was ultimately interested in a two state solution. However, Israel was willing to negotiate, the very thing that you said would lower radicalism.
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Phat Member Posts: 18603 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.1 |
Two big news stories out of Israel.
UN top court says Israeli occupation of Palestinian territories is illegal I predict that if Trump gets in, he will support Israel against the UN global community.A rhetorical question that I ask is "How would you like it if the international governing body attempted to interfere with or condemn local politics and government?? Israeli man killed in drone attack on Tel Aviv The Drone was launched by the Houthis. They now have the technology to bypass some defense systems. Why do US Politicians put the job of stopping Israel in the hands of the U.N.?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9488 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 6.1
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A rhetorical question that I ask is "How would you like it if the international governing body attempted to interfere with or condemn local politics and government?
But that isn't what is happening, is it?Do you think we are all clueless and ignorant like you? Here is a great rhetorical question. What if Phat had a basic understanding of the subjects he tries to discuss? Edited by Theodoric, . What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9488 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 6.1 |
So no response? Just a down vote? You truly are pitiful. At one time you were pitiable, but that is long past.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?
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Phat Member Posts: 18603 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.1 |
How about you lay off the personal attacks?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9488 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 6.1 |
How about you address peoples responses to your bullshit?
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17897 Joined: Member Rating: 8.0 |
quote: Seems like an international matter to me. Why do you think otherwise? Indeed your attitude seems to be very much in agreement with China’s. How do you feel about what China is doing in Tibet or to the Uighurs? Do you think that Apartheid should have been ignored by the international community? That WAS a purely internal matter.
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Percy Member Posts: 22908 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.7
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Phat writes in Message 382: How about you lay off the personal attacks? How much patience do you think people should be expected to have before they call you out on your continual turning of a deaf ear to what they say? People have shown great compassion over the years toward the issues you face, and you merely accept the compassion and never deal with your issues. Of course they eventually react. But you're ignoring this feedback, too. No matter how harsh the criticism of your behavior here, you turn a blind eye to it and keep doing what you do. The kind of reactions you're getting shows that many have just had enough. --Percy
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Phat Member Posts: 18603 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.1
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Fair enough. I keep forgetting that Theodoric is a tough nut to crack, anyway. He (and all of you) eventually get through to me when I slow my internal processes down and try and respond rather than react to your messages. Respect is earned and never simply given.
So this is the latest latest from the BBC. (7/26/2024)
Harris tells Netanyahu 'it is time' to end war in GazaBBC:To me, this was an impressive move by VP Harris. She showed herself tougher than even Joe. In addition, the move scored her points in the upcoming election. I was impressed.
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Percy Member Posts: 22908 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.7
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We can't be Israel's partner in crime against the Palestinians on the West Bank and in Gaza. Israel's actions are why the ICC is considering issuing arrest warrants for Netanyahu. They're why the ICJ issued an opinion saying that Israel was committing genocide in Gaza, that Israel was an apartheid state, that Palestine should be recognized as a sovereign state, and that Israel's occupation of Gaza and its human rights violations should end.
The ICC is concerned with international crimes by people, the ICJ (also known as the World Court) with those by countries. Yes, Israel is our friend, but friends don't let friends commit genocide. --Percy
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nwr Member Posts: 6484 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 9.2 |
Phat writes in Message 386: To me, this was an impressive move by VP Harris. She showed herself tougher than even Joe. I'm pretty sure that Joe has also been telling Netanyahu that is time for hostilities to end. But perhaps Kamala said so in a more forceful way.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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Phat Member Posts: 18603 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.1 |
Percy writes: There is no nation or governing body on earth that could arrest Netanyahu except the US and we won't betray our "friend".
Israel's actions are why the ICC is considering issuing arrest warrants for Netanyahu. They're why the ICJ issued an opinion saying that Israel was committing genocide in Gaza, Yes, Israel is our friend, but friends don't let friends commit genocide. Friends may disagree strongly on such issues but no friend would betray Israel. If Harris or Biden tried it it would sink their popularity. Trump would likely support Israel first. Palestine will be allowed back into the land if they swear off Hamas, but if they dont, they will be evicted.
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Percy Member Posts: 22908 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.7
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