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Author | Topic: The disconnect between the bible, and its horrific actions versus the message | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Taq Member Posts: 10385 Joined: Member Rating: 5.8
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Zucadragon writes: How would one deal with the friends, the family, the friends and acquaintances they've grown up, fondly in some cases, because it couldn't be a world with just evil people, a society can't run on just evil deeds. How would they deal with that or even think about that? A modern retelling might involve a bomb shelter and a nuclear apocalypse. There would be an awkward moment a few months after they left the Ark once they realized who their kids' marriage prospects are. Family reunion turned singles mixer.
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GDR writes: Firstly I would say that the message that we should take from the Noah story that no matter how bad things get, God doesn't give up on us. Really? God wipes out billions of people, and from this you get the impression that God won't ever give up on people?
The flood story IMHO is a legend that grew up within various cultures around some local flood centuries ago. The Noah story is a rather obvious copy of the Utnapishtim flood story in the Epic of Gilgamesh. The story in the Epic of Gilgamesh has an ark with family and animals, birds finding a branch after the flood, and a rainbow after the flood. The Noah story appears to be a retelling of a known story in a Jewish context with undertones of cultural appropriation.
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GDR writes: The point is even if there is only one righteous person left God isn't giving up on us. That's not the point I get from the story. God gave up on a lot of people, those who weren't the one righteous person. God is telling us that if you aren't righteous then he will give up on you.
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Phat writes: All of the people gave up on themselves and the idea of God and spread nothing but war, greed, and envy. They became the decisions that they freely made. So did Noah's family. No one freely chose to drown. That was forced onto them.
This whole idea of outrage towards a hypothetical "God character is so misguided. It's normal human behavior. We do it all of the time. Haven't you ever watched a movie?
We become the decisions that we make and will reap what we sow. No Creator owes you anything. Grow up. We are talking about a Creator who went out of his way to kill people. No one chose to die. The Creator chose to kill them.
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jar writes: Particularly all the little children and animals who had done nothing to deserve death. This was especially so in the Exodus story where God killed the first born as punishment for Egypt's leadership not freeing the Hebrew people. Takes a special kind of evil to kill peoples' children for not doing what they tell them to. And it's not as if God has something against slavery either because he allowed the Hebrew people to put foreigners into chattel slavery.
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Candle3 writes: I find it to be hypocritical when one condemns God forkilling while supporting the murder of little babies in their mother's womb. Do you condemn those who perform abortions? If so, why don't you condemn God for the same thing? If we take the Bible at face value, abortion doctors are acting no differently than God.
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Candle3 writes: Since you condemn God for killing, do you also condemnthose who kill babies in their mother's womb. It has nothing to do with me. I don't believe in God, so why would I condemn and entity that I don't believe in? I am holding God to the standard of those who believe, which would be you. If you believe that abortion doctors are wrong for killing babies, then you should think the same of God.
What God takes He can give back. Humans who take life cannot do so. Were Egyptian parents given their first born back?
I trust God. And, I trust His judgements. I don't doubt that. What the rest of us find contradictory is the moral double standards inherent in Christian theology. In this instance, you claim to believe in a loving God who kills peoples' children because a pharaoh won't free a specific set of people. That doesn't add up.
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Candle3 writes: Taq, you, as well as other so-called atheists, spend an ungodlyamount of time speaking of a "Being" that you don't believe in. Why would we have to believe in the existence of a "Being" in order to determine how the Being is described in ancient writing?
Romans 1:19-20 states that God's creation is proof of His existence. His existence is so obvious that those who deny Him are without excuse. A religion who thinks people are wrong for not believing as they do. Shocking!!
God does not allow His followers to kill others. Have you read the Old Testament? God not only allows people to kill others, he commanded it.
quote: The world's problems, and they are many, are not a result of keeping God's Holy Laws and Commandments. God commanded his people to participate in chattel slavery. It is throughout the Old Testament.
You asked "Were Egyptian parents given their first born back?" No! But God has promised to do so in the 2nd resurrection. Those parents have been dead for thousands of years.
The Egyptians who God killed do not deserve this great gift from God. 2 year old children do not deserve what? Do children also deserve to be slaves and the property of others simply because they were born into it?
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Candle3 writes: Evolutionists onthis board attack those who see evolution as a fairy tale. A ridiculous tale of a frog turning into a prince. This thread isn't about evolution. Red herring noted.
Correct, and you will also die. We all die. It does not matter how long one is dead, the individual will be be resurrected back to physical life. All empty words. Even worse, you use these empty words to justify genocide in the name of God.
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Candle3 writes: If you honestly believe this propaganda crap that you spew, then you are indeed very gullible. If you want to discuss evolution then start a thread on the topic and participate in the conversation. I would be more than happy to present the evidence to you. This thread is not about evolution.
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