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Author Topic:   The disconnect between the bible, and its horrific actions versus the message
Taq
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Message 15 of 63 (919395)
07-08-2024 3:27 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Zucadragon
07-06-2024 3:05 PM


Zucadragon writes:
How would one deal with the friends, the family, the friends and acquaintances they've grown up, fondly in some cases, because it couldn't be a world with just evil people, a society can't run on just evil deeds. How would they deal with that or even think about that?
A modern retelling might involve a bomb shelter and a nuclear apocalypse.
There would be an awkward moment a few months after they left the Ark once they realized who their kids' marriage prospects are. Family reunion turned singles mixer.

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Message 25 of 63 (919432)
07-10-2024 4:58 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by GDR
07-10-2024 1:59 PM


GDR writes:
Firstly I would say that the message that we should take from the Noah story that no matter how bad things get, God doesn't give up on us.
Really? God wipes out billions of people, and from this you get the impression that God won't ever give up on people?
The flood story IMHO is a legend that grew up within various cultures around some local flood centuries ago.
The Noah story is a rather obvious copy of the Utnapishtim flood story in the Epic of Gilgamesh. The story in the Epic of Gilgamesh has an ark with family and animals, birds finding a branch after the flood, and a rainbow after the flood. The Noah story appears to be a retelling of a known story in a Jewish context with undertones of cultural appropriation.

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Message 39 of 63 (919455)
07-11-2024 12:39 PM
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07-10-2024 6:35 PM


GDR writes:
The point is even if there is only one righteous person left God isn't giving up on us.
That's not the point I get from the story. God gave up on a lot of people, those who weren't the one righteous person. God is telling us that if you aren't righteous then he will give up on you.

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Message 40 of 63 (919456)
07-11-2024 12:42 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Phat
07-11-2024 12:08 AM


Re: No Creator Owes Anyone Anything
Phat writes:
All of the people gave up on themselves and the idea of God and spread nothing but war, greed, and envy. They became the decisions that they freely made. So did Noah's family.
No one freely chose to drown. That was forced onto them.
This whole idea of outrage towards a hypothetical "God character is so misguided.
It's normal human behavior. We do it all of the time. Haven't you ever watched a movie?
We become the decisions that we make and will reap what we sow. No Creator owes you anything. Grow up.
We are talking about a Creator who went out of his way to kill people. No one chose to die. The Creator chose to kill them.

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Message 46 of 63 (919466)
07-11-2024 3:24 PM
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07-11-2024 2:13 PM


Re: No Creator Owes Anyone Anything
jar writes:
Particularly all the little children and animals who had done nothing to deserve death.
This was especially so in the Exodus story where God killed the first born as punishment for Egypt's leadership not freeing the Hebrew people. Takes a special kind of evil to kill peoples' children for not doing what they tell them to. And it's not as if God has something against slavery either because he allowed the Hebrew people to put foreigners into chattel slavery.

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Message 59 of 63 (921582)
01-17-2025 3:14 PM
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01-17-2025 1:10 PM


Re: No Creator Owes Anyone Anything
Candle3 writes:
I find it to be hypocritical when one condemns God for
killing while supporting the murder of little babies in their
mother's womb.
Do you condemn those who perform abortions? If so, why don't you condemn God for the same thing?
If we take the Bible at face value, abortion doctors are acting no differently than God.

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Message 61 of 63 (921588)
01-17-2025 4:23 PM
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01-17-2025 3:30 PM


Re: No Creator Owes Anyone Anything
Candle3 writes:
Since you condemn God for killing, do you also condemn
those who kill babies in their mother's womb.
It has nothing to do with me. I don't believe in God, so why would I condemn and entity that I don't believe in? I am holding God to the standard of those who believe, which would be you. If you believe that abortion doctors are wrong for killing babies, then you should think the same of God.
What God takes He can give back. Humans who take life
cannot do so.
Were Egyptian parents given their first born back?
I trust God. And, I trust His judgements.
I don't doubt that. What the rest of us find contradictory is the moral double standards inherent in Christian theology. In this instance, you claim to believe in a loving God who kills peoples' children because a pharaoh won't free a specific set of people. That doesn't add up.

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Message 63 of 63 (921667)
01-21-2025 4:38 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by Candle3
01-18-2025 2:50 PM


Re: No Creator Owes Anyone Anything
Candle3 writes:
Taq, you, as well as other so-called atheists, spend an ungodly
amount of time speaking of a "Being" that you don't believe in.
Why would we have to believe in the existence of a "Being" in order to determine how the Being is described in ancient writing?
Romans 1:19-20 states that God's creation is proof of His
existence. His existence is so obvious that those who deny
Him are without excuse.
A religion who thinks people are wrong for not believing as they do. Shocking!!
God does not allow His followers to kill others.
Have you read the Old Testament? God not only allows people to kill others, he commanded it.
quote:
Samuel 15
1 And Samuel said to Saul, c“The Lord sent me to anoint you king over his people Israel; now therefore listen to the words of the Lord. 2 Thus says the Lord of hosts, ‘I have noted what Amalek did to Israel din opposing them on the way when they came up out of Egypt. 3 Now go and strike Amalek and edevote to destruction17 all that they have. Do not spare them, fbut kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’”
4 So Saul summoned the people and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand men on foot, and ten thousand men of Judah. 5 And Saul came to the city of Amalek and lay in wait in the valley. 6 Then Saul said to gthe Kenites, “Go, depart; go down from among the Amalekites, lest I destroy you with them. hFor you showed kindness to all the people of Israel when they came up out of Egypt.” So the Kenites departed from among the Amalekites. 7 iAnd Saul defeated the Amalekites from jHavilah as far as kShur, which is east of Egypt. 8 And he took Agag the king of the Amalekites alive land devoted to destruction all the people with the edge of the sword.
The world's problems, and they are many, are not a result of
keeping God's Holy Laws and Commandments.
God commanded his people to participate in chattel slavery. It is throughout the Old Testament.
You asked "Were Egyptian parents given their first born back?"

No! But God has promised to do so in the 2nd resurrection.
Those parents have been dead for thousands of years.
The Egyptians who God killed do not deserve this great gift
from God.
2 year old children do not deserve what? Do children also deserve to be slaves and the property of others simply because they were born into it?

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