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Percy
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Message 8 of 63 (919326)
07-07-2024 6:44 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by Zucadragon
07-06-2024 11:01 PM


I was raised Unitarian. I never believed the Bible stories were real, but I did believe they characterized the God of Christianity, that the stories were intended to send a message. The OT does not paint a pretty picture, and the NT interpretation where no one who hasn't accepted Jesus as Lord and Savior can go to heaven, even if they've never heard of him, seems just as severe as the OT, minus the slaughter and genocide and salt pillars and all that.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 36 of 63 (919449)
07-11-2024 9:39 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by GDR
07-10-2024 1:59 PM


GDR writes in Message 20:
Firstly I would say that the message that we should take from the Noah story that no matter how bad things get, God doesn't give up on us. The flood story IMHO is a legend that grew up within various cultures around some local flood centuries ago.
That's you. Most conservative Christians take the flood story as literal truth and are therefore worshipping a monster. And the flood is just one of many OT examples.
I strongly disagree with your take on the NT. Firstly it isn't about going to heaven at all but about heaven coming to earth, or more pointedly, the renewal of all things in this world. We are only given a very broad image of what would be like, with things like no suffering and not being stuck with one dimension in time doing away with entropy.
Again, that's you, not conservative Christians. I have a couple responses:
  • How is preaching working for ya here so far?
  • And you know this how?
You have your own set of eclectic religious views about which you'll go on endlessly, continually and repeatedly cycling back to earlier issues which you left people feeling were settled, as captured in Choosing a faith.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 45 of 63 (919465)
07-11-2024 2:51 PM
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07-11-2024 11:56 AM


GDR writes in Message 37:
Percy writes:
That's you. Most conservative Christians take the flood story as literal truth and are therefore worshipping a monster. And the flood is just one of many OT examples.
And you know that how?
Seriously? You've been here since 2005 and somehow missed the parade of creationists arguing about the Grand Canyon and geologic layers and Mount St. Helens and radiometric dating and slow light and the impossibility of evolution and the literal truth of the Bible? Did you never go to the religious section of bookstores in the 1990s and early 2000s and see all the books dedicated to creationism? I created this site because of the very active debate between creation and evolution. And you're asking how I know that most conservative Christians take the flood story literally?
Sure it's easier for the vast majority of posters on this forum so mock the strawman you have set up.
Strawman? Again, have you been reading the posts on this site or not? How you could read anything by Faith, ICANT, randman, riVeRraT, Buzsaw, mike the wiz, frako, Dredge and so on and say we're creating a strawman? Then there's organizations like ICR and CRS, all the people cheering on Duane Gish at his "debates", the Answers in Genesis Ark Encounter park that draws nearly a million visitors a year, Kitzmiller v. Dover and all the efforts to get Genesis taught in schools, and on and on. A strawman? That's just delusional. Please don't be this absurd.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 52 of 63 (919499)
07-12-2024 9:07 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by Phat
07-12-2024 7:35 PM


Re: No Creator Owes Anyone Anything
Phat writes in Message 49:
I will be in the hospital for a few days so I hope to be back in a week with few complications.
What's going on?
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 54 of 63 (919501)
07-13-2024 7:17 AM
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07-13-2024 6:35 AM


Re: No Creator Owes Anyone Anything
Stay well.
--Percy

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