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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8654 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 6.7
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***Unless you know 100% of all there is to know about the universe, you cannot state this as fact. The philosophy of science says, “never say never.” However in our reality there is no need to address the extremes of thermodynamics since, though mathematically possible, those extremes never manifest in reality. The law says that every molecule of air in your room can jump all to one concentrated corner of the room leaving you to suffocate to death. In the practical reality of this universe that is not going to happen … ever. Your god exists within the same faulty reasoning as your suffocation. Yes, I can say with reasonable argument that your god, and no god of any human conception, can exist in this universe. If you want to show us otherwise you have but to show us the hard physical evidence from thermodynamics written on the cosmos. If you want to claim a most extraordinary occurrence of the law then you must show us your extraordinary evidence that such did happen. You can’t. The twisted meanderings of divine beings produced by your intellectual deficiencies are not real. They are but the manifestations of your delusive fantasies.
You are free to think what you want, but what you think has no bearing on whether God exists or not. Correct. No matter how strongly you desire, this universe precludes, calls bogus and negates, any existence of your god or anything like it. But this is science so if you insist your god is real then show us the evidence. The way to prove me wrong is to produce this god for examination otherwise it is all just your mentally-deficient fantasy. Your god is not real and does not exist in this universe. We know this with a confidence that boarders on certainty.“There’s simply no polite way to tell people they’ve dedicated their lives to an illusion,” -Daniel Dennett Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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candle2 Member (Idle past 128 days) Posts: 892 Joined: |
Zucadrago, I mentioned a couple of weeks back that I
am texting from a SG phone. There is no way for me to slow a video down. I havewatched these videos on computer back when we had DSL. If you tell me at what time to slow this particular video, orwhen to pause it, I will watch it at my son's house in a few days. I will then get back to you. I will be completely honest with what I see. On a lighter side, the two videos I suggested to you arereally funny. Donkey laughs at dog (shocked by electric fence) & Black man on treadmill AFV
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jar Member (Idle past 93 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Learn the basics.
What you see on a video, even if you go frame by frame is really really really really really really weak evidence. What you see in person, even if you concentrate and watch closely is really really really really really really weak evidence. Edited by jar, : remove extraneous 'on' Edited by jar, : fix sub-title Edited by jar, : remove stuttering 'even if you'
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Zucadragon Member Posts: 142 From: Netherlands Joined: |
They are, and really, you don't have to slow it down to figure out the trick in the levitating ball trick. But it starts at 0:55 seconds and goes on for a little bit from there.
It's a short video in general, quickly showing off a couple of tricks. And yeah, even on your phone, without slowing it down, I'd like to hear your honest opinion about what you see. You can go more in depth later.
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Percy Member Posts: 22947 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
If candle2 were seven then there would be a good chance he'd eventually comprehend the explanations of magic from you and Zucadragon.
But I don't think he's seven. I think he's an adult. He's unlikely to change even his most absurd beliefs. One *can* believe in demons and magic and still use a smart phone, drive a car, and hold down a job. The guy painting our house right now believes in aliens, but the house is looking great. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22947 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.9
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candle2 writes in Message 3791: Percy, slow down the magic tricks, and see for yourself. I realize that you are super intelligent and will do just that. On a laptop you can advance frame-by-frame using the "." character, and in reverse using the "," character, but I don't need to watch the videos because I already know magic isn't real. If I needed to know how a particular magic trick was done I might watch a video
Have you seen all the evidence concerning transgenderism in those who are rich and famous? You are a sick, sick puppy.
Do you believe those who say that they sold their lives to Satan? Is there anything anyone could tell you where you'd ask for some kind of evidence?
There should be enough evidence for anyone to seriously consider that we share our world with powerful forces. All we have evidence for is gravity, electromagnetism, the strong nuclear force, and the weak nuclear force. If you have evidence for other forces you'll have to present it.
Why are all the elite transgender? Again, you are a sick, sick puppy.
Everybody has been raised up with evolution being force fed to us. To deny it can lead to a failing grade in school. Grades don't depend upon accepting evolution, only on understanding it.
Our universities used to be institutions where people shared ideas and viewpoints. Now they are nothing more than indoctrination centers. No kidding.
Your little feelings get hurt because I don't acquiesce to the prevailing worldview. My actual feelings are of bogglement that people like you exist.
There are two ways to look at these magicians. Either they do it all on their own, or they have help. If by "help" you mean demons, then no. There's no evidence of widespread transgendered elite, university indoctrination, or demons.
Zucadragon and I will disagree on this. We are not going to change our minds. This is why I stated that we are beating a dead horse. Zucadragon's views are based upon evidence. Yours are based upon a studied ignorance.
His view on this is the accepted way. I merely stated a differing point of view. Got any evidence for these demons that make real magic possible?
I cannot get past the fact that cards just appear in a magicians hand. Regardless of how much I slow it down. If the rich and famous have sold themselves, then this would include the famous magicians. If someone wants to sell themselves to demons or the devil, how would they go about it?
You accuse me of being idiotic; yet, you are the one without answers. I only have questions. Why don't you understand word-wrapping? Where's your evidence for anything you claim? Why have you never posted a reference link? How does ignorance like yours exist in a supposedly advanced technological country like the United States?
I have slowed these tricks down. This is why I am certain of what I state. The world and all of history is full of people who have been certain of things that aren't true.
As right now I am texting on a phone that does not allow me to do so. If you're watching YouTube videos using their app, click on the settings button in the upper right. From there you'll be able to select the playback speed all the way down to .25x. Keep in mind that you can't see anything that happens between frames.
Now look at his message and reflect on him thinking that I actually thought he was a dragon typing with his claws. As I said, your extreme gullibility leaves us unable to judge what you might actually find absurd.
He actually thought that he had to tell me that there are no dragons. This is the 21st Century. I know, isn't that ridiculous? As ridiculous as having to tell someone there are no demons. After all, this is the 21st century. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22947 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
candle2 writes in Message 3797: On a lighter side, the two videos I suggested to you arereally funny:
I'm not interested in the videos, but if you're going to suggest people watch videos then you should provide links to them. Better yet, embed them in your message using the [youtube] dBCode. Your SG phone's keyboard includes the square bracket characters, so you can use the dBCodes. --Percy
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jar Member (Idle past 93 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Percy writes: If someone wants to sell themselves to demons or the devil, how would they go about it? First you head down to the crossroads of highway 61 and 59 in Mississippi ...
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 6.1 |
Do you believe those who say that they sold their lives to
Does he have a place online I can do this? What is his going rate for a "soul"?Satan? No christian has ever been able to explain how I can sell my "soul". What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 9.7 |
I'll give you a dollar for it!
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq Why should anyone debate someone who doesn't know the subject? -- AZPaul3 If you are going to argue that evolution is false because it resembles your own beliefs then perhaps you should rethink your argument. - - Taq
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 6.1 |
Sold
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 9.7 |
OK, do some magic tricks!
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq Why should anyone debate someone who doesn't know the subject? -- AZPaul3 If you are going to argue that evolution is false because it resembles your own beliefs then perhaps you should rethink your argument. - - Taq
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8654 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 6.7 |
Whoa there! Not so fast!
What if his majik involves singing? You really want that?“There’s simply no polite way to tell people they’ve dedicated their lives to an illusion,” -Daniel Dennett Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 9.7 |
Whew! That was too close for comfort!
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq Why should anyone debate someone who doesn't know the subject? -- AZPaul3 If you are going to argue that evolution is false because it resembles your own beliefs then perhaps you should rethink your argument. - - Taq
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Zucadragon Member Posts: 142 From: Netherlands Joined: |
I'm looking forward to seeing what you have to say about the levitating ball video!
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