The Glorification and Worship of Torture

A common Christian prayer before meals:

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Thank you, Lord, for the food we are about to receive, and for the nourishment to our bodies. For Christ’s sake, Amen.

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So God gets credit for the meal, but not for your mother's death or your drinking and drug use. How does that make sense?Why not this prayer:

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Thank you, Lord, for the drugs we are about to receive, and for the highs our minds will experience. For Christ’s sake, Amen.

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A quibble: Idi Amin wasn't in the same league as Hitler, Stalin or Pol Pot. And you forgot Mao Zedong.So in your view God is responsible for good things but not bad. How do you reach this conclusion? The Bible recounts God doing some pretty bad stuff. Given that God once killed well over 99% of all living things, including people, shouldn't he be on your list along with Hitler, Stalin and the rest? From which he's apparently exempt. Tell that to Job. They sure think they do. They're committing evils while invoking the name of God. Just as you're doing here by filling your preaching with lies. But it's for God, so it's okay. But the other nation is full of [Catholic, Protestant, Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu] heretics. God does not want them to have those resources. God's followers are some of the worst offenders. It seems that following God leads to more bad behavior than good. Again, does it really make sense to you to credit God only for the good things and none of the bad?--Percy

Percy, you stated:"So God gets credit for the meal, but not for your mother's
death or your drinking and drug use. How does that make
sense?"***Is there something mentally wrong with you?I said that my father shot my mother, not God.And, God did not hold me down and force drugs through
my mouth.Only cry-babies try to blame others for their failures.We all have free will.Listen carefully: it is difficult to reach God during this
present age. It really is.God chooses an individual to be one of His elect. He
was aware of each of them long before they were born.The elect are those whom Christ resurrects when He
returns to set up His Kingdom. They are His firstfruits,
not His only fruits.This being said, an individual can still find God if that
individual seeks God with all his heart. God can give an
individual peace and a sound mind.When Christ sets up His Kingdom everyone in that kingdom
will have access to Him and His firstfruits.While Jesus was on earth He gave us a preview of what
life would be like in His Kingdom. He healed the sick, and
He fed the hungry.He will offer you your opportunity at His set time. If you
are still alive when He returns, you will receive your calling
then.If you die before then, you will receive your opportunity in
the 2nd resurrection.There are some who will never receive eternal life. Those
Whom God calls during this present age, and who wilfully
walk away from Him will suffer the 2nd death, which is
permanent.Likewise, those who are incorrugibly wicked will also
experience eternal death.Life during this present age can be difficult, as well as
being filled with pain. But, it needs to be so. The reward
is beyond imagination.To become a member of the family of God, in other words
a god ourselves, we must build steadfast character. We
must develop self-control, temperance, patience, etc...We can only do this when we allow God to develop His
character inside us.When someone God has called allows Him to create His
character inside them. When that person has allowed God
to mold him in His image, it is sheer foolishness for
someone to try and convince him that God does not exist,
or that God does not love him.

You're missing the point here entirely. Your meal wasn't prepared by God, the meat and vegetables weren't raised by God, but you say thank you to God, because God made it all possible, right? He created the possibility for you to have that meal because God created everything.That's what you're doing, despite the fact that in that whole process of you getting your meal, God didn't do anything. You're attributing the fact that you can have this meal, to God because he made it a possibility for you.So in the same sense, the gun, or even the screwed up shit that led to your mother getting shot, was a possibility created by God. He created the means for your mother to to get killed in that way.You can't on one side claim God created everything, so we should be thankful for all the good we get, and then on the other side say God created everything, but these bad things, aren't his doing, because free will. Both are acts of freewill and he created the means for those bad things to happen just the same.If God created everything, then drugs exist because God created the means for them to exist, he created everything, so also drugs are his doing, free will has nothing to do with this response because it's not about that.Don't you see the disconnect here!?

Zucadragon already explained it perfectly, but it won't hurt to explain it again. And you prepared the meal (and did everything else necessary for the meal, like earning the money to buy the food, etc. and so on), not God. Why does God get credit for the meal and not the murder?I'm sorry that your father murdered your mother, but that very sad fact doesn't cause the laws of simple logic to be suspended.--Percy

Candle2 and Phat and all the CCoI are immune to cognitive dissonance.

Interesting that God wouldn't save his mom.

Percy, you wrote:"And you prepared the meal (and did everything else
necessary for the meal, like earning the money to buy
the food, etc. and so on), not God. Why does God get
credit for the meal and not the murder?"
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"I'm sorry that your father murdered your mother, but
that very sad fact doesn't cause the laws of simple
logic to be suspended."***God owns all of this. He owns the earth, sun, moon
Galaxy. The food that I eat belongs to Him.God has plainly said that we are all going to die. It is a
fact that we will die. We just don't know when.Because of God I will see my mother again. Because of
God I have a loving wife, sons, and grandkids.After Christ rules on earth for a 1000 years, my mom will
be resurrected, and as a son of God I will be right there to
greet her.We never had much to eat when I was young. We did not
have electricity or running water. We did without.But I would not trade any of that because I can now
appreciate even the little things.My dad borrowed the shotgun from a friend under the
pretense of shooting some turkeys. He also borrowed
six shells. Counting himself there were six of us at home.Some thought that He was going to shoot all of us, but he
had to shoot mom twice, and the two oldest ran.I remember him coming onto the porch and staring at me
for a few seconds. I don't know what he was thinking.Perhaps, God spared my life that day, also.I will tell anyone who will listen. God has been good to me.
And, I have learned many valuable lessons.There are always those who have had it worse.After what my father has done, I still hope God shows
him mercy.We are not robots. God has given us free will. This is the
only way that we can build character.

So if God owns everything, then that includes murdering your mother.Free will doesn't enter into it. You had free will to create the meal, but God owns that anyway. Your father had free will to murder your mother, but by the same logic God owns that, too.--Percy