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Taq
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Message 947 of 1056 (918822)
05-28-2024 3:46 PM
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05-23-2024 3:13 PM


Re: The One Almost Universal Quality for a Politician
Percy writes:
So when are politicians telling the truth?
When their lips aren't moving?
My position, and the conclusion I claim must be drawn from the article, is that regardless of party, if you want to be a politician then you'd better be comfortable with lying. A lot.
There is also the question of how obvious are your lies, and what are they? When you lie about election outcomes that is lying about something really, really foundational in a democracy. This isn't the "no new taxes" type of lie. Aspirational lies are something that we can sort of accept, but not blatant lies of fact that can be rebutted by a simple look at reality.
I wonder what Cheney says about the Access Hollywood tape now? I don't think anyone's posed the question, but these days she's saying that Trump's legal problems demonstrate a "fundamental lack of character."
Clinton's indiscretions might be a good analogy here. I'm sure there are current Democrats that treated Clinton's affairs differently than they are treating Trump's affairs now. Hypocrisy knows no political divides. The art of politics is making it hard to notice the hypocrisy, and Republicans are failing hard on that score.
Sure, say that you are all for Christian values, but don't expect us to not roll our eyes when you support Trump. Someone couldn't be any farther from Christian values than Trump, and it doesn't take a genius to see it.

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Message 948 of 1056 (918823)
05-29-2024 1:06 AM


I was listening to Alan Dershowitz describing Trump's lies about Stormy Daniels.
It seems Trump is on trial for telling lies about a relationship with a hard-core porn actress.
In 2016, she said he used his penis on her. And he paid her to be silent.
The germ freak Trump denied they had sex,and he attacked her physical appearance.
Now, Trump is on trial for "defrauding the voters".
It seems he is charged for not telling the truth during the 2016 election, about his penis.
He "defrauded" the voters.
Dershowitz says that the Manhattan jury might not be able to get past their political biases, so a "Guilty" verdict is actually possible.
Dershowitz says that the prosecutor knew he would loose if the jury was made up of New Yorkers from Bronx, Queens, etc. The trial venue was carefully selected.
My opinion:
This political witch-hunt is not going unnoticed by New Yorkers.Trump actually is polling within single digits of Biden, in New York.
The Democratic party is the much stronger of the two American political parties. Winning the Democratic party primary for the race for President of the United States would practically be tantamount to winning the election for President - ultimately, in the general election. But, Democrats abusing the system is actually giving Republicans an opening.
After Obama won in 2012, it looked like Democrats would never loose again.
They have found a way.
Democrats "never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity".
(Democrats managed to loose a congressional seat, in the Rio Grande Valley, in 2022, during the special election for Felemon Vela's seat. It turned out that Elon Musk lives in the valley, and he voted for the Hispanic Republican that won - his first ever vote for a Republican. Democrats in Washington unloaded their b.s. Hakeem Jeffries called Musk a man who cast a vote for a "white
supremacist" candidate whiles Democrats are "defending democracy")
(National Democrats seem to almost beg for voters to vote for Republicans, even when they are not inclined to do so)
Did Trump actually sleep with the dirty-star Stormy Daniels?
The nation says:
Who cares?
I bet we care about the implications of the political witch-hunt, however. And it has nothing do with whether Trump actually did lie about sleeping with the sperm-splattered Stormy Daniels. Partisan Democrats surely wish they could count the number of sperm cells Daniels credits/attributes to Trump, but voters care little about the salacious details.
Trump might be a dirty old man who lies (to the media) about boning a prostitute/pornstar, but most voters are probably more concerned about Democrats weaponizing the courts, than Trump's STDs.
Dershowitz says that a hung jury is most likely, but Trump will almost definitely win the appeal, if he is found guilty by the partisan Manhattan jury.

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Percy
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Message 949 of 1056 (918825)
05-29-2024 7:27 AM
Reply to: Message 947 by Taq
05-28-2024 3:46 PM


Re: The One Almost Universal Quality for a Politician
Taq writes in Message 947:
Sure, say that you are all for Christian values, but don't expect us to not roll our eyes when you support Trump. Someone couldn't be any farther from Christian values than Trump, and it doesn't take a genius to see it.
You'd think that judgy Christians, so quick to declare yesterday's fellow Christian to be not a true Christian, would be quick to pounce on Trump and abandon him, but they don't.
One positive thing you can say about Trump is that he will occasionally say exactly what he is thinking. He has his moments when he's the most honest politician on the planet.
--Percy

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Taq
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Message 950 of 1056 (918826)
05-29-2024 11:25 AM
Reply to: Message 949 by Percy
05-29-2024 7:27 AM


Re: The One Almost Universal Quality for a Politician
Percy writes:
You'd think that judgy Christians, so quick to declare yesterday's fellow Christian to be not a true Christian, would be quick to pounce on Trump and abandon him, but they don't.
To be fair, there are Christian conservatives who have abandoned Trump because he is such an atrocious person, and they have my respect. There can be honest debates on policy, but I don't think there can be an honest debate about Trump being fit for the office of President.
One positive thing you can say about Trump is that he will occasionally say exactly what he is thinking. He has his moments when he's the most honest politician on the planet.
Very true. One of my favorite definitions:
gaffe: accidently telling the truth

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Taq
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Message 951 of 1056 (918827)
05-29-2024 11:33 AM
Reply to: Message 948 by LamarkNewAge
05-29-2024 1:06 AM


Re: I was listening to Alan Dershowitz describing Trump's lies about Stormy Daniels.
LNA writes:
It seems Trump is on trial for telling lies about a relationship with a hard-core porn actress.
Nope. He is on trial for falsifying business records to coverup the hush money. There is no law against politicians lying, at least while they are not under oath.
Dershowitz says that the Manhattan jury might not be able to get past their political biases, so a "Guilty" verdict is actually possible.

Dershowitz says that the prosecutor knew he would loose if the jury was made up of New Yorkers from Bronx, Queens, etc. The trial venue was carefully selected.
Dershowitz says a lot of things. Why should we care?
If you want to claim that the trial is a sham then refer to some facts. From what I have seen, the prosecution has supported all of their allegations with facts. I don't see how an unbiased jury could acquit given the facts in the case.
The Democratic party is the much stronger of the two American political parties. Winning the Democratic party primary for the race for President of the United States would practically be tantamount to winning the election for President - ultimately, in the general election. But, Democrats abusing the system is actually giving Republicans an opening.
Strange how you don't mention the impeachment inquiry ongoing in the House.
I bet we care about the implications of the political witch-hunt, however. And it has nothing do with whether Trump actually did lie about sleeping with the sperm-splattered Stormy Daniels. Partisan Democrats surely wish they could count the number of sperm cells Daniels credits/attributes to Trump, but voters care little about the salacious details.

Trump might be a dirty old man who lies (to the media) about boning a prostitute/pornstar, but most voters are probably more concerned about Democrats weaponizing the courts, than Trump's STDs.
Trump has openly stated that he wants to weaponize the DOJ and go after Democrats. So why are Republicans supporting him?

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Percy
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Message 952 of 1056 (918828)
05-29-2024 3:24 PM
Reply to: Message 951 by Taq
05-29-2024 11:33 AM


Re: I was listening to Alan Dershowitz describing Trump's lies about Stormy Daniels.
Taq writes in Message 951:
Nope. He is on trial for falsifying business records to coverup the hush money. There is no law against politicians lying, at least while they are not under oath.
Unfortunately it's more complicated than that. Hush money isn't a crime. Falsifying business records is a misdemeanor. In order to elevate it to a more serious crime it has to have been done in the commission of a greater crime, in this case election fraud by the concealment of damaging information and unlawful activity from American voters. In other words, the business records crimes were committed in order to violate state and federal election laws, which makes it a felony.
This lawsuit may possibly result in a legal victory for the prosecution, but I see no way this can be a political win for Democrats. If Trump is found innocent then he'll promote it as proof that it was all a political witch hunt drummed up by lying Democrats.
I consider a guilty verdict unlikely because it requires the jury to track, understand and connect too many dots, but if Trump is found guilty of some counts then it still won't matter because even if the jury was able to maintain an understanding, the general public will not be. Trump will poke false holes in any guilty verdicts, and the public in general will not possess the knowledge nor the expertise to recognize their falsity. Trump understands that it isn't what is true that matters but what you can get people to believe.
--Percy

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Message 953 of 1056 (918830)
05-30-2024 5:15 PM
Reply to: Message 952 by Percy
05-29-2024 3:24 PM


Re: I was listening to Alan Dershowitz describing Trump's lies about Stormy Daniels.
And Trump is found GUILTY on all counts.

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Tangle
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Message 954 of 1056 (918831)
05-30-2024 6:09 PM


Woops…

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


  
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Message 955 of 1056 (918832)
05-30-2024 7:12 PM
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05-30-2024 5:15 PM


And Trump is found GUILTY on all counts.
34 of them to be exact. He is now a felon on appeal. Of course his base will cry foul, just as he always wants them to do.
He could potentially face jail time, which will further hamper his reelection efforts.
Christian "Prophet" Kim Clement(now deceased) predicted he would win two terms.
Personally I think that he is the antichrist (if such a being exists)
I wont ever vote for him. Even though Bidens party are fools with no knowledge of money they are the only alternative left and will get my vote (having been persuaded to a degree by my Sister and Niece).
Our justice system works, that is for sure.
Less certain is our political system.
I don't really think that there could still be enough ignorant people to vote him back in, but if there is, we are in trouble as a nation anyway. |
Stay tuned. This saga continues until near the elections.
One question is who the Republicans would pick in the event Trump is in jail or cannot run.
Our country is in trouble. Trump or no Trump.

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Message 956 of 1056 (918834)
05-31-2024 4:01 AM


Meddlesome Clown
No, no jail time. Of the thousands of cases like this the State of New York conducts very few, (10%), involve jail. So expect fines and maybe, if the judge is really pissed, suspended jail time just for show. At $5,000 fine per charge that is $170,000 and can be covered by the penny donations at a few Trump rallies.
And, of course, that will be appealed. The appeal will take literally years to resolve. This conviction means nothing to anyone already decided. And if you are still “undecided” at this point then you are brain dead and need to be interred before November.
One hope to keep Trump from the stump, if they can make it happen, is that the Georgia election fraud trial starts and Trump is kept seated in court not on the campaign trail.
How do people looking at Trump see a viable leader? How can near half this society consider this moron presidential material? In a paraphrase of Henry II, “Will no one rid us of this meddlesome clown?”

“There’s simply no polite way to tell people they’ve dedicated their lives to an illusion,”
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Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Percy
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Message 957 of 1056 (918835)
05-31-2024 6:44 AM
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05-31-2024 4:01 AM


Re: Meddlesome Clown
AZPaul3 writes in Message 956:
How do people looking at Trump see a viable leader? How can near half this society consider this moron presidential material? In a paraphrase of Henry II, “Will no one rid us of this meddlesome clown?”
And if no one does, Judy Collins can sing Send in the Clowns and while a parade of figures like Kellyanne Conway, Stephen Miller, Rudy Giuliani, Steve Bannon, Donald Trump Jr., Ivanka Trump, Jared Kushner, William Barr, Betsy DeVos and Peter Navarro marches by while people like Alex Jones and Roger Stone cheer them on.
--Percy

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 958 of 1056 (918857)
06-05-2024 7:33 AM


China sells FULL SIZE Electric car for $9,700! We need technocrats in government.
I was sickened by xenophobic anti-free trade, anti-migrant policies before I was a teenager.
(Immigration first, then Bidens environment ruining trade policies)
Biden just, in the last month, demonstrated why Democrats are a full on pile of fascist crap. The party that has - in recent decades - claimed to champion causes such as "inclusion" and "welcoming migrants" just witnessed its President declare a policy push to allow no more than 900,000 migrants a year to seek asylum in the United States. Joe Biden will shut the border-crossing down completely if 2,500 humans (in any one day) attempt to file for assylum at border "check points". The migrants will be kicked out.
Biden said, during the 2020 primary campaign, that we can take in more immigrants, per year, than the paltry 1 million per year limit set in 1990. That was then. Now? He is, in actually, issuing draconian unprecedented (in post 1965 American immigration policy) restrictions, minus the Covid-19 emergency measures.
I voted for Biden,in 2020, and immigration was absolutely my biggest reason. My first Presidential vote was for Harry Brown in 1996, and he was pro immigration. I voted for Nader in 2000 and 2004, Obama in 2008 and 2012, Johnson in 2016 (just to support the third party movement, no other reason), and Biden in 2020.
I am now 100% certain that Democrats are lying to pro-immigration voters, when they ask for votes - an honestly, their support for migrants always seemed like a political utility that might not reflect ultimate policy positions.
ENVIRONMENT DESTROYING TRADE POLICY
Biden claims he is not a xenophobe.
Biden claims he considers global warming an threat to a human civilization without a dystopian future.
Trump demonstrated xenophobia when he massively increased tariffs on Chinese imports. Our taxes on Chinese produced products went from 2.5% to 25%, thanks to Trump. It sucked. It really sucked.
China has a produced heavily subsidized electric car - the Seagull - for just $9,700 retail price.
Did our government wonder what it should have been wondering, if it was full of technocrats? Did it wonder how many of these China would sell to us? 100 million of those cars would cost $970 billion if the Chinese government would still be willing subsidize the sales that THAT scale.
Did our government wonder how we could get the cars delivered cheaply?
Bering Strait crossing - Wikipedia
Did our government consider that Russia has been trying to get partners to fund the $100 billion cost to build a highway system that includes tunnel from Alaska to Siberia? (The cost for a highway from the 48 states through Canada, under the Bering Strait, through Siberia which amounts to THE EXACT SAME COST as the amount the warmongers in Washington just allocated to keep the war in Ukraine further prolonged.
We need technocrats in government, not savage warmongers.
We need good government, some day. Today is not the day. Our great day has never arrived.
The environmental destruction was guaranteed when Biden not only REFUSED to even consider anything an enlightened people would consider, but he actually increased tariffs from 25% to 100%. Obama left us with 2.5% tariffs. Biden is no Obama. (The much-maligned Trump was little more than a monkey in the middle)
LEGALLY CONTORTED POLITICAL TRIAL
The Democrats are no strangers to legal contortions. The early 2021 Trump impeachment Senate trial, for sedition & insurrection was based on a set of claims totally divorced from reality. Republicans and Trump were paranoid that the rally was going to have a few violent actors that would conveniently offer Democrats a chance to smear the entire planned electoral college protest. The Jan 6 capitol protest featured a small amount of violence, and Democrats were giddy.
So Trump led an insurrection.
And he was impeached and the Senate had a vote to remove him from office.
All 50 Senate Democrats were joined by Mitt Romney and 6 other Republicans in a vote to remove Trump from office. He was declared guilty of the charges - sedition and insurrection.57 votes for pure political crap.
It was a joke.
Some things never change...
Now the New York banana republic case:
I will defer to the CNN senior legal anaylst.
Meet the CNN senior legal expert
quote:
Elie Honig (born April 3, 1975) is an American attorney and legal commentator. He is the senior legal analyst for CNN. Previously, Honig was an assistant United States Attorney.
Early life
Honig was born in Camden, New Jersey, on April 3, 1975[1] and raised in Voorhees Township and Cherry Hill.[2] He is Jewish; Honig had a bar mitzvah ceremony.[3] Two of his grandparents survived the Nazi concentration camps during The Holocaust.[4]
Honig graduated from Cherry Hill High School East, a public high school in New Jersey, in 1993.[5] He earned his bachelor's degree from Rutgers University in 1997 and his Juris Doctor from Harvard Law School in 2000.[6]
Career
Honig (second from the left) during a press conference in 2013
After graduating, Honig took a job with Covington & Burling in Washington, D.C.[2] From 2004 to 2012, Honig was an assistant United States attorney in the Southern District of New York. He prosecuted organized crime. In 2010, he became the deputy chief of the Organized Crime Unit. He achieved convictions on over 100 members of the American mafia, including members of the Genovese and Gambino crime families[6] such as Ciro Perrone, Matthew Ianniello, Angelo Prisco, Daniel Marino, and Joseph Corozzo.[2][7]
In September 2012, Honig joined the Attorney General of New Jersey's office as the deputy director of the Division of Criminal Justice.[2] He was named director of the division in February 2013.[7] He led the division's bail reform initiative in 2017.[8]
Honig joined Lowenstein Sandler in June 2018.[9] In September 2018, he became a senior legal analyst for CNN.[5] Honig's first book, Hatchet Man: How Bill Barr Broke the Prosecutor's Code and Corrupted the Justice Department, was published in 2021.[10] His second book, Untouchable: How Powerful People Get Away with It, shipped in late-January 2023.[11][12] He has also produced a podcast, "Up Against the Mob", and a documentary for CNN on the trial of Adolf Eichmann, in which he interviewed the trial's prosecutor, Gabriel Bach.[4]
Personal life
Honig's wife, Rachael, is also an attorney; she was an assistant United States attorney for New Jersey.[13] They have two children and live in Metuchen, New Jersey.[2][3]
Bibliography
Honig, Elie (2021). Hatchet Man: How Bill Barr Broke the Prosecutor's Code and Corrupted the Justice Department. HarperCollins. ISBN 9780063092372.
Honig, Elie (2023). Untouchable: How Powerful People Get Away with It. HarperCollins. ISBN 9780063241626.
Elie Honig - Wikipedia
Anti-Trump and an expert - an eminent legal expert.
He wrote this article for the New Yorker
quote:
PROSECUTORS GOT TRUMP - BUT THEY CONTORTED THE LAW
....
The charges against Trump are obscure and nearly entirely unprecedented
....
In fact, no state prosecutor - in New York, or Wyoming, or anywhere - has ever charged federal election laws as a direct or preicate state crime, against anyone, for anything. None. Ever.
elie honig trump contorted - Google Search
That was his part, now my observations.
No underlying federal law violation was stipulated on the verdict sheet.
Trump was not notified of accusations in advance of trial
The Underlying crime was hypothetical and the jury was told to ignore the uncertainty and accept Trump was guilty of an unspecified underlying crime
Defense could not bring in an election finance expert to testify
Defense could not bring in tax record/law experts
(Amazing the Clinton campaign was FINED BY THE FEDERAL ELECTION COMMISSION for lying about the Steel Dossier payments, in 2016, and I wonder how that history could be relevant to THIS case)
Jonathan Turley said this:
"This is a target-rich environment for appeal ....If the New York courts don't reverse this, I suspect the federal system will. There of reversible error here by Judge Merchon."
Alan Dershowitz feels Trump should try to get the sentencing moved up to early June
quote:
If the court refused to expedite the sentencing, I would try to take the case NOW immediately to the New York Court of Appeals - skipping the intermediate court of appeals which is a political court [with] Manhattan based Democrats largely. I would try to go right to the Court of Appeals and ask them for a decision within 30 days in order to get to the Supreme Court before the election. There is no reason to have the sentencing delayed until July 11th.
Jonathan Turley - Wikipedia
Alan Dershowitz - Wikipedia
Everybody recognizes this was political - not legal.
Even the visceral Trump-hater Mitt (the Twitt) Romney said:
quote:
Bragg should have settled the case against Trump, as would have been normal procedure. But he made a political decision. ...It is mpolitical malpractice.
(Romney told Atlantic writer McKay Coppins)
Nearly one quarter of Democrats see the prosecution as political
quote:
Perceptions of Trump Guilty Verdict - HarrisX Overnight Poll - 31 May
This survey was conducted online within the United States from May 30 – May 31 among 1,006 registered voters by HarrisX. The
sampling margin of error of this poll is plus or minus 3.1 percentage points. The results reflect a nationally representative sample
of registered voters. Results were weighted for age, gender, region, race/ethnicity, income, political party, education, ideology
and area type where necessary to align them with their actual proportions in the population.
https://uploads-ssl.webflow.com/...20-%2031%20May%202024.pdf
See page 4:
Format is difficult to paste, but 22% of Democrats choose "Politically motivated" over "Fair and unbiased" when asked "DTQ1: Do you think the prosecutions of Donald Trump are fair and unbiased or are they politically motivated?"
83% of Republicans, 48% of independents, and 22% of Democrats (49% of everyone) said this was a political trial, if you ask the right question.
See the 7 page polling sheet, and it is linked under the May 31 poll Forbes/HarrisX
Latest Polls 2024 | RealClearPolling
Robert F Kennedy jr. said Democrats "cannot win fair & square at the polls", "they have to win by clearing the deck and getting their other opponents out of the race".
Kennedy added, "Im not a fan of President Trump" but "I want to beat him in a campaign on a level playing field".
He opposes cheating to win, but he especially hates weaponizing the legal system
Kennedy said, of his dad, as Attorney General:
quote:
His first week in office - in 1961 - he called in all the division heads of the Bureau Chiefs and the Chief Department of Justice and he said RULE NUMBER ONE: We never - politics is out the window - We never prosecute based on politics.
I am impressed by Tulsi Gabbard's comments as well.
But RFK jr's dad was the head of the DOJ.
Pierce Morgan Uncensored had a very good show recently
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-_B_hWFZWI&t=569s
YouTube titles it: “You’re Accusing Me Of Fascism!” Trump Verdict Debate Gets Personal
Mark Geragos is a liberal legal expert, who - during the turn of the century - used to be a guest talking head who was very critical of the right wing and Republicans.
He said this, on the show:
quote:
If You're going to bring a criminal case against one of the most reviled people in Manhattan and pick a jury in Manhattan an expect them to do anything but convict him, THEN I know nothing about the criminal law that I've been trying cases about. That was a slam dunk from the GET-GO
He really does make sure his commentary is based on factual background information and experiences. Democats, these days, often can't really tell who is sincerely factual and who is not. Trust - you - me. It means something when an expert, who is a man of integrity, says this. It matters.
He goes on:
quote:
At the same time, I can tell you that it was in to my mind reprehensible that you take a case that is literally misdemeanors and with an expedited statute of limitations, and you do the mental gymnastics to contort this into a Target Crime that's not defined until closing argument and make those into felonies - basically reviving an expired statute of limitations. I could go on an on about the legal nonsense that this is.
The Judge essentially made up the jury's mind, Geragos states:
quote:
There's no such thing as DIRECTED VERDICT in criminal cases. This was basically a Directed Verict based on the judge's instructions.
Geragos clearly has felt his legal sensibilities were torched:
quote:
.
There was no legal theory that was given to the jurors. The jurors were told it could have been campaign finance violations. It could have been tax [violations]. It could have been false books. They were told that they did not have to specify and specifically told they did not have to agree unanimously. Thats what irks me. LIFE LONG DEMOCRAT. NO FAN OF TRUMP. NEVER VOTED FOR TRUMP. NEVER WILL but I will tell you as somebody who has spent his entire career ... holding the government accountable... the reason is this kind of shenanigans and thats the BEST light I can spin it. In the criminal courts [this prosecution] has no place in the federal election. The campaign finance laws were federal, not state, and the state laws had nothing to do with
YouTube has strange titles for its show.
The title was based on an exchange between another liberal guest and one of the conservative guests while Geragos was still participating.
The conservative said:
quote:
You're accusing me of fascism - thats a big charge. All I would point iut is that its not my party that's imprisoningg its political opponents
The liberal (pro gun-confiscation supporting) Pierce Morgan said:
quote:
I was about to say one of the key tenants of fascism is you imprison your political opponents
Even Pierce Morgan just described Democrats as fascist.
Yes he did.
He said he is "on the other side of the pond", but he is concerned for America when he sees this Bananna Republic type of stuff going on.
The polls are still showing a tie race
Trump’s conviction may be hurting him — but it’s early - ABC News
Latest Polls | FiveThirtyEight
Latest Polls 2024 | RealClearPolling
Tellingly:
Trump is consistently polling within 10 points in New York.
New York 2024 Poll: Biden 48%, Trump 41% - Emerson Polling
2024 New York Election: Trump vs. Biden Polls | RealClearPolling
2024 New York: Trump vs. Biden vs. Kennedy vs. West vs. Stein | RealClearPolling
Institutional investors won't work in New York, as it is seen as dysfunctional. See Pierce Morgan interview/debate, as they guy trying to buy TicTok testified to the "instability" worldwide investors see in New York.
Look at the 2022 results:
Lee Zeldon shocked the world by holding Democratic Governor Kathy Hochul to a 53.2% to 46.8% win
Chuck Schumer only won by 56.7% to 42.2% over his Republican opponent.
So a national Democrat, in a slightly pro Democratic year, only wins re-election by 13.5%.
Biden beat Trump by over 22.5%, or 60% to 38%
Republicans are looking like they have made New York into a D+7 or D+6 state, or I should say Democrats have made it that way by the shenanigans. Schumer's race was D+7, but his opponent was weak, and it could indicate a D+6 state. The Biden 2020 win was 22.6% minus his 4.5% national win. So D+9. Hillary Clinton won by 24% so D+11.
The states and districts are based on a combination of the last 2 presidential races.
New York State is currently D+10
Democrats are excited they can gerrymander the congressional seats for 2024. The 2022 lines were this
(COMPETITIVE SEATS ONLY)
U.S. Congressional District 1-4,6,11,17-26
1 (R) Nick Lalota R+3
2 (R) Andrew Garbino R+3
3 (D) Tom Suozzi D+2
4 (R)Anthony Exposito D+5
Those are the Long Island seats.
State Island is:
11 (R) Nicole Maliotakis R+6
Queens has the closest NYC district aside from Staten Island
6 (D) Grace Ming D+15
Suberbs and Upstate
17 (R) Mike Lawler D+3
18 (D) Pat Ryan D+1
19 Marc Molinaro EVEN
20 (D) Paul Tonko D+7
21 (R) Elise Stefanik R+9
22 (R) Brandon Williams D+1
23 (R) Nick Langworth R+12
24 (R) Claudia Tenney R+11
25 (D) Joseph Morelli D+7
26 (D) Tim Kennedy D+9
Democrats hate that there are 10 Republicans, when they keep telling voters Republicans attempted to overthrow the democracy.
Democrats are bragging that they can now gerrymander the Republican seats. Republicans feel that structurally the Democrats are too weak in Long Island, the suburbs, Staten Island (NYC district), and Upstate. This partisan performance score is actually worse if you just look at the 2020 performance, but this score is based on 2016/2020.
The 2022 results could mean the state is "+4" stronger Republican/Trump than these scores.
Republicans are telling Democrats they will not be able to gerrymander more than one seat - if even that - the Republicans currently hold, due to structural problems Democrats have. Democrats are not very popular in New York, and the latest poll shows Trump only loosing by 6 points when the third party canidates are polled with he and Biden.
If Trump really attempted to overthrow the democracy, he sure is polling well for a dictator.
El Salvador's President jokes about being "the world's coolest dictator", as a swipe at the United States media. He told Republicans to keep fighting those who use courts to incarcerate political opponents.

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Message 959 of 1056 (918860)
06-05-2024 10:50 AM
Reply to: Message 958 by LamarkNewAge
06-05-2024 7:33 AM


Hey LNA, if you think anyone is going to read your crap MAGA-novel then think again. Even a cursory scan shows nothing but MAGA crap.
You wasted all those electrons on a yawner to be ignored.

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Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 960 of 1056 (918861)
06-05-2024 11:30 AM
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06-05-2024 10:50 AM


Can you get over the Democrat Republican obsession?
You sound like you love the choices.
I think both are quite bad, on balance.
Reread my post again.
Democrats are pretty shitty, but Republicans are probably glad they are.
Republicans are only going to barely beat Biden (if they can even do that), because he sucks so badly, that he is loosing minorities.
NPR (?) just released a poll of under 40 Americans. It is divided by race groups under 40.
Both candidates are doing about the same as all the third party candidates combined.
Trump is only loosing blacks under 40 by a 33 to 23 margin.
Trump leads Biden 35 to 34 among whites under 40.
Trump loses Asians ( & Pacific Islanders)under 40, 45 to 18 percent.
Trump is winning Hispanic under 40 by a 32 to 28 margin.
But the polls show both are very disliked. Each gets about 33 percent.
You are an old white, and you, on balance, love them.

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Message 961 of 1056 (918862)
06-05-2024 11:37 AM
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06-05-2024 7:33 AM


Geez, why don't you talk about something important and interesting, like the Great Cicada Killer Conspiracy?

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
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If you are going to argue that evolution is false because it resembles your own beliefs then perhaps you should rethink your argument. - - Taq

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