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Taq
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Message 376 of 378 (918808)
05-24-2024 11:38 AM
Reply to: Message 375 by Theodoric
05-23-2024 4:16 PM


Re: Israel is Recruiting the Next Generation of Hamas Fighters
Theodoric writes:
Bull shit. Arafat and the Palestinians had solid proposals. The Israeli's made amorphous oral proposals. Nothing written down.
Israel made a take it or leave it offer. They are the ones that cut of negotiations.
All negotiations start out with oral proposals. There's no reason to write anything down until there's a basic agreement. That's a poor excuse.
If you want to claim that Israel wouldn't budge at one meeting, then fine. Anyone knows that these types of negotiations aren't finished in one meeting. If Arafat were actually serious he would have pushed for more meetings. He didn't.
These are the very start of negotiations that you claimed Palestinians wanted. They happened, but the Palestinians never seem interested in realizing them.
Have you read anything besides propaganda about this subject? Did you read the wiki link about the 2000 talks? Do you actually think what Abbas says is an admission of walking away from a legitimate deal? We know the reality is that he did not take Israel's first terms and the Israelis ultimately ended the talks.
Have you read anything besides propaganda?

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Message 377 of 378 (918809)
05-24-2024 11:21 PM
Reply to: Message 376 by Taq
05-24-2024 11:38 AM


Re: Israel is Recruiting the Next Generation of Hamas Fighters
Or you could read what people who were actually there saw?
Opinion | Fictions About the Failure At Camp David - The New York Times
Did you even bother to look at any of the sources mentioned here?
2000 Camp David Summit - Wikipedia

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?


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Taq
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Message 378 of 378 (918821)
05-28-2024 3:39 PM
Reply to: Message 377 by Theodoric
05-24-2024 11:21 PM


Re: Israel is Recruiting the Next Generation of Hamas Fighters
Theodoric writes:
Or you could read what people who were actually there saw?
Opinion | Fictions About the Failure At Camp David - The New York Times
Did you even bother to look at any of the sources mentioned here?
Yes, I looked at them. It was pretty obvious that neither side was ultimately interested in a two state solution. However, Israel was willing to negotiate, the very thing that you said would lower radicalism.

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