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Percy
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Message 136 of 143 (918742)
05-21-2024 5:10 AM
Reply to: Message 135 by LamarkNewAge
05-20-2024 3:36 PM


Re: ChatGPT noticed Taq is talking about the broad Quantum Mind issue.
LamarkNewAge writes in Message 135:
Maine allows abortion at any stage of pregnancy. The current Democratic governor just signed a bill that allows abortion at any moment prior to the baby's head exiting the mother's vagina, if I recall correctly.
You're correct in only a technical sense. In Maine an abortion after viability is only permitted when deemed necessary by a licensed physician. From Title 22, §1598: Abortions of Maine Statutes:
quote:
§1598. Abortions
1. Policy. It is the public policy of the State that the State not restrict a woman's exercise of her private decision to terminate a pregnancy before viability except as provided in section 1597‑A. It is also the public policy of the State that all abortions may be performed only by a health care professional, as defined in section 1596, subsection 1, paragraph C.
...
1-B. (REALLOCATED FROM T. 22, §1598, sub-§1-A) Abortion after viability. After viability, an abortion may be performed only when it is necessary in the professional judgment of a physician licensed pursuant to Title 32, chapter 36 or 48. The physician shall apply the applicable standard of care in making a professional judgment under this subsection.
2. Definitions. As used in this section, unless the context otherwise indicates, the following terms shall have the following meanings.
A. "Abortion" means the intentional interruption of a pregnancy by the application of external agents, whether chemical or physical or by the ingestion of chemical agents with an intention other than to produce a live birth or to remove a dead fetus.
B. "Viability" means the state of fetal development when the life of the fetus may be continued indefinitely outside the womb by natural or artificial life-supportive systems.

You skipped the part in 1-B where it states that after viability "an abortion may be performed only when it is necessary in the professional judgment of a physician."
--Percy

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Theodoric
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Message 137 of 143 (918747)
05-21-2024 12:39 PM
Reply to: Message 136 by Percy
05-21-2024 5:10 AM


Re: ChatGPT noticed Taq is talking about the broad Quantum Mind issue.
LNM misrepresent facts? Say it ain't so.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?


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Tanypteryx
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Message 138 of 143 (918748)
05-21-2024 1:04 PM
Reply to: Message 137 by Theodoric
05-21-2024 12:39 PM


Re: ChatGPT noticed Taq is talking about the broad Quantum Mind issue.
It's his phone's fault.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
Why should anyone debate someone who doesn't know the subject? -- AZPaul3
If you are going to argue that evolution is false because it resembles your own beliefs then perhaps you should rethink your argument. - - Taq

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Tanypteryx
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Message 139 of 143 (918749)
05-21-2024 1:15 PM
Reply to: Message 137 by Theodoric
05-21-2024 12:39 PM


Re: ChatGPT noticed Taq is talking about the broad Quantum Mind issue.
LNM misrepresent facts?
It makes him the perfect debate partner of ChatGPT!

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
Why should anyone debate someone who doesn't know the subject? -- AZPaul3
If you are going to argue that evolution is false because it resembles your own beliefs then perhaps you should rethink your argument. - - Taq

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Theodoric
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Message 140 of 143 (918750)
05-21-2024 2:35 PM
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05-21-2024 1:04 PM


Re: ChatGPT noticed Taq is talking about the broad Quantum Mind issue.
Damn lying phone.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?


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LamarkNewAge
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Message 141 of 143 (918751)
05-21-2024 2:52 PM
Reply to: Message 136 by Percy
05-21-2024 5:10 AM


Re: ChatGPT noticed Taq is talking about the broad Quantum Mind issue.
Maine just changed it's law.
There was a contentious 74-72 vote.
I doubt the change is part out statute immediately.
(I don't know what the actual interpretation is of the part you quoted).
I would say that you have not demonstrated that late-term abortion legally counts as "murder" - which seemed to be a part of your posts.
(ChatGPT does not fact check laws, but it looked to me that you were giving background details that did not fit reality)
(ChatGpt saw you were twisting the issue of injurious assault on pregnant mothers with abortion laws, generally)

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 142 of 143 (918753)
05-21-2024 3:28 PM
Reply to: Message 136 by Percy
05-21-2024 5:10 AM


Guttmacher Institute: State Laws as of May 1,2024
Nine States And The District of Columbia Do Not Restrict Abortion Based On Gestational Limitations
Maine is not (yet) one of them.
Vermont is.
Michigan is, amazingly. Michigan is much more Pro Life than Florida, and a recent poll showed 44% of Florida voters would support a six week ban. 32% a ban, and 12% a six week ban.
I suspect that the Percy quote, of Maine statute, is nothing that contradicts the (recent) media description of Maine's action as removing all gestational limits on abortion. I don't know, though.
It seems to be a mainstream media accepted fact that around a dozen states allow abortion throughout the pregnancy. The lesser charges against the Philadelphia doctor would not be brought in Vermont, it seems.

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Percy
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Message 143 of 143 (918777)
05-21-2024 6:37 PM
Reply to: Message 141 by LamarkNewAge
05-21-2024 2:52 PM


Re: ChatGPT noticed Taq is talking about the broad Quantum Mind issue.
LamarkNewAge writes in Message 141:
Maine just changed it's law.

There was a contentious 74-72 vote.
The change you refer to occurred back in January: Maine Democrats who expanded abortion access now want to enshrine it in the state constitution | AP News
I doubt the change is part out statute immediately.
I don't know how quickly Maine updates their website after changes to law, but what I quoted to you is definitely what was passed back in January. Before the new law abortion was illegal after viability. The new law makes abortion legal after viability if deemed medically necessary by a doctor, apparently over the objections of Republicans.
I would say that you have not demonstrated that late-term abortion legally counts as "murder" - which seemed to be a part of your posts.
(ChatGPT does not fact check laws, but it looked to me that you were giving background details that did not fit reality)
(ChatGpt saw you were twisting the issue of injurious assault on pregnant mothers with abortion laws, generally)
After reenabling ChatGPT and making him staunchly pro-abortion and anti-religion, I was playing devil's advocate to see if I could get him to ignore his instructions in the same way he had when he was anti-abortion/pro-religion. Obviously I wasn't arguing my own views. ChatGPT has been disabled again.
--Percy

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