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Theodoric
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Message 31 of 47 (918329)
04-25-2024 10:42 PM
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Re: ChatGPT Has Been Shut Down
Prob best

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?


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Message 32 of 47 (918330)
04-25-2024 10:46 PM
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Re: ChatGPT Has Been Shut Down
Microsoft recently released Phi-3, which is unusually small (it can run on a phone!!) and yet has very solid results from testing across several domains. They were able to accomplish this by very carefully selecting the training data - don't just feed it large datasets, but carefully curate the data before training. This seems to result in a more efficient model.
I think that, as with humans, LLM training is going to be key to their ability to perform specific tasks.
In the meantime, if you want to try again...adjust the modelfile and give it specific examples. If you want it to stop rabidly defending criticism of religion, try multiple (like ~5 or more) examples like:
**Response Samples**
Prompt:
Response:
Never tell the LLM what not to do. They're terrible at comprehending and aligning to negative instructions. Instead tell it what you do want.
"When a faith-based position is questioned, respond fairly and acknowledge the limitations of faith-based positions, the lack of evidence, logical inconsistency, etc."

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“A world that can be explained even with bad reasons is a familiar world. But, on the other hand, in a universe suddenly divested of illusions and lights, man feels an alien, a stranger. His exile is without remedy since he is deprived of the memory of a lost home or the hope of a promised land. This divorce between man and his life, the actor and his setting, is properly the feeling of absurdity.” – Albert Camus

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Theodoric
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Message 33 of 47 (918331)
04-25-2024 11:03 PM
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04-25-2024 10:46 PM


Re: ChatGPT Has Been Shut Down
or don't bother.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?


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Zucadragon
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Message 34 of 47 (918332)
04-26-2024 3:03 AM
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04-25-2024 9:47 PM


Re: ChatGPT Has Been Shut Down
No need to apologize, it was fun really, but yeah, the limitations of an AI are very clear in just about any discussion with it. Still, it's a blast to toy around with!

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Message 35 of 47 (918333)
04-26-2024 7:01 AM


How The ChatGPT Chatbot Came About
I'm creating another discussion website, and I wanted a database of messages for testing. Originally I filled the messages with random Latin, but that's not so good for testing search because I don't know any words of Latin. I could have replaced the messages with random English, but then I had the idea of using ChatGPT to fill the messages with actual sentences and paragraphs of English that were pertinent to the topic.
While doing that I realized how easy it would be have ChatGPT behave like a participant at EvC, so I changed course for what I thought would be a couple days to do that.
The couple days turned into a couple weeks as I tried to deter it from casting admonishments at almost any comments about religion. While only the "normal participant" and "creationist" versions were released at EvC, I quickly saw the problems and in my testing on my development machine tried changing it over to be a moderator. But that suffered from the same problem. Messages commenting about religion except in the most favorable ways were strongly admonished. Positive instructions, negative instructions, combinations of those, nothing worked. It must be the case that the provided instructions are secondary to higher priority instructions from OpenAI, who I assume wants to avoid all controversy.
For instance, I tried to get it give an opinion on Israel's occupation of Gaza and was unable to obtain anything other than a hash of "highly complex" and "various opinions" and "some say this and some say that" and "no simple solution." It also explained that it's data only goes up to 2021. I told it to treat the information I was providing to it as a hypothetical and to react to that and still got the same milquetoast reaction.
And yet, despite it's data only going up to 2021 and it knowing full well that it only goes up to 2021 since it keeps reminding you of that, if you comment too strongly on the situation on Gaza you will be admonished.
In conclusion, I found it impossible to configure ChatGPT in such a way that would make it a useful contributor to EvC. The experiment is over.

--Percy
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Tangle
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Message 36 of 47 (918338)
04-26-2024 10:00 AM


After using various AIs over the last year or so my impression is that they've been massively changed - emasculated. I used to be able to get some quite specific information from them but now I get googled information strung together with ambivalent words and the actual question ignored entirely.
It's just pumping out advertorials. In the example below, it's totally ignored the question which is about straying - a technical usage. It gave me a load of blather ripped off a web site. But it's the wrong website so some of what it says - and I didn't ask for anyway - is wrong.
You
what are the straying rates for stocked salmon in West Ranga, Iceland?
Copilot
The West Rangá river in Iceland is renowned for its prolific salmon fishing. Here are some details about the river and its salmon runs:
The West Rangá is one of Iceland’s most productive salmon rivers, along with its neighbor, the East Rangá.
It features wide, long pools and smooth glides, with an average width of 50 meters.
The river relies on a successful smolt-releasing program that began in 1989, as there is very little natural spawning habitat.
During the peak season (from July 10th to the end of August), a competent fisherman can expect to land 3-5 fish per day, with many more lost during the fight12.
The river provides an impressive 4,000 - 7,000 salmon each year3.
If you’re planning a fishing trip, keep in mind that the West Rangá Lodge offers comfortable accommodations and excellent trout fishing programs as well. Tight lines! ????????
For more details, you can contact Peter McLeod or Alex Jardine via email or call their office at +44 (0)1980 8473891. You can find additional information on the Aardvark Mcleod website and the Fishing Iceland website3. ????????????
Worse than useless.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 37 of 47 (918620)
05-16-2024 12:31 PM


ChatGPT Has Been Renenabled
But he's on probation. I thought perhaps instructing him to behave as an anti-religionist might cause at least neutral behavior. We'll see. I'll disable him again if it doesn't work.

--Percy
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Theodoric
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Message 38 of 47 (918625)
05-16-2024 3:14 PM
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Re: ChatGPT Has Been Renenabled
It has a gender?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?


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Message 39 of 47 (918629)
05-16-2024 4:34 PM
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05-16-2024 3:14 PM


Re: ChatGPT Has Been Renenabled
Theodoric writes in Message 38:
It has a gender?
Could a female really achieve such a high degree of sanctimoniousness, punctiliousness and condescension combined with disregard or cluelessness of what's actually being discussed? Apologies for my chauvinism.
I've already refined its instructions a couple times today - he just doesn't listen. He'll likely be gone again soon.

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Message 40 of 47 (918639)
05-16-2024 6:49 PM
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Re: ChatGPT Has Been Renenabled
Could a female really achieve such a high degree of sanctimoniousness, punctiliousness and condescension combined with disregard or cluelessness of what's actually being discussed?
Marjorie Taylor Greene

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If you are going to argue that evolution is false because it resembles your own beliefs then perhaps you should rethink your argument. - - Taq

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Message 41 of 47 (918702)
05-18-2024 3:21 PM


ChatGPT Disabled Again
I've disabled ChatGPT again. Maybe there's a knack to providing decent instructions that I don't have, or maybe it's not possible for ChatGPT to act like a normal discussion participant, but the results with the new instructions, while surprising, were not an improvement. If anyone has some ideas they'd like to try just let me know, but for now he's disabled again.

--Percy
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Tangle
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Message 42 of 47 (918703)
05-18-2024 4:26 PM
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05-18-2024 3:21 PM


Re: ChatGPT Disabled Again
I think you should just enjoy being able to disable it while you can.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 43 of 47 (918705)
05-18-2024 7:08 PM
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Re: ChatGPT Disabled Again
You can't complain about ChatGPT not responding to messages to him. Has he responded to EVERY message directed to him? Is he "undogpilable"?
I note that the ChatGPT post total is listed as "14", event though the individual forum totals are far beyond that.
You do need to try ChatGPT on a Brad McFall message.
Moose
ps - By posting this message, I'm risking loosing my "10" member rating, which I've had since my "no holds barred" rant about the beyond deplorable Donald Trump.

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Message 44 of 47 (918708)
05-19-2024 7:51 AM
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Re: ChatGPT Disabled Again
Minnemooseus writes in Message 43:
You can't complain about ChatGPT not responding to messages to him. Has he responded to EVERY message directed to him? Is he "undogpilable"?
If you remember "If you build it they will come" then it's the same thing. "If you post it he will reply."
I note that the ChatGPT post total is listed as "14", event though the individual forum totals are far beyond that.
Now that's damn strange. His posts pass through the same code as every other member (except the message composition page). Has anyone noticed if their post counts have stalled?

--Percy
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Message 45 of 47 (918709)
05-19-2024 8:36 AM
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Mine looks ok

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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