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Message 16 of 98 (917690)
04-13-2024 6:47 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by candle2
04-13-2024 4:31 PM


Re: FYI
I have the feeling that you know very little about God's
true church, though.
I've been at this for a long time. I know your gutter religion very well. With you as one of its priests I know your cult is an ancient fantasy myth that has tortured humanity for millennia. Like all religions yours is but another death cult.
Christ was not crucified on a cross. In any event, neither
Jesus nor the Bible approve of this behavior.
They are not Christians.
And they do not
speak for Christ, nor are they part of Christ's Church.
Moronic imbecile. Priest. Liar.
We know your religions and the evil poison you propagate in the human mind. Yours offers nothing more than any other demonic cult.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 17 of 98 (917691)
04-13-2024 6:59 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Tangle
04-12-2024 10:06 AM


Tangle, you wrote:
"do you think any of that makes any difference to the
fact that millions, if not billions of Christians glorify
torture in the worship of their god?"
***They are not worshipping God. They are observing
man-made traditions.Christ condemned the Pharisees
for following man-made traditions.
I have told the board numerous times that God is not
trying to save the world during this present age.
He is not trying to save Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, or
those who practice false Christianity, etc.
When the pre-ordained times comes every human who God
did not call during this present age will come into the
knowledge of the truth.
Those who practice man-made doctrines are in the same
boat as those who are not certain that God even exists.
We all have to experience life under the rule of Satan. We
must experience his ways of self-centeredness, greed, lust,
hate, etc, before we get to experience life under the rule of
Christ.
It seems rough, and it is. It can be be extremely painful
to be a human. I know this first hand. But, it is
essential for us to experience both ways before we can
make an informed decision.
Those whom God has called have already experienced
a great deal of pain. They have made a decision to
fully embrace God when He called, or will call.
God does not love the elect more than He does others.
Everyone will be called, either now, in God's kingdom, or
after the resurrection.
2 Peter 3:9 "The Lord is not slack concerning His promise,
as some count slackness, but is long-suffering toward us,
NOT willing to perish but that ALL should come to
repentance."
This is a promise from Him.

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Message 18 of 98 (917693)
04-13-2024 7:20 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by candle2
04-13-2024 6:59 PM


Like I say, you're a loony. And a cult. Or something phonetically similar. Or both.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 19 of 98 (917704)
04-14-2024 7:47 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by AZPaul3
04-13-2024 6:47 PM


Re: FYI
AZPaul, you stated:
"I've been at this for a long time. I know your gutter religion
very well. With you as one of its priests I know your cult is
an ancient fantasy myth that has tortured humanity for
millennia. Like all religions yours is but another death cult."
***I reiterate, only more firmly; you don't know a thing about
it.
All you know how to do is repeat what others say.
Why don't you post what Jesus really says and does in
the New Testament, instead of stating the same lies,
that shows your ignorance?
***You also posted:
"Moronic imbecile. Priest. Liar."
***Most little kids talk like this. Come on AZ, grow up, and
talk like an adult.

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Message 20 of 98 (917707)
04-14-2024 8:25 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by candle2
04-14-2024 7:47 AM


Re: FYI
candle2 in Message 19 writes:
AZPaul3 in Message 16 writes:
Moronic imbecile. Priest. Liar.

Most little kids talk like this. Come on AZ, grow up, and talk like an adult.
I agree that I'd like to see something more nuanced.
By the way, I reformatted your reply. This is how adults talk.
--Percy

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Message 21 of 98 (917710)
04-14-2024 8:48 AM
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04-14-2024 8:25 AM


Re: FYI
In this case the only response to his repeated inanity is ridicule. Note that in fact my characterization of him is accurate if not civilly rendered.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 22 of 98 (917712)
04-14-2024 9:31 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by AZPaul3
04-14-2024 8:48 AM


Re: FYI
AZPaul3 writes:
In this case the only response to his repeated inanity is ridicule. Note that in fact my characterization of him is accurate if not civilly rendered.
If you're like me you come away from some posts thinking to yourself, "Not my best." On the other hand, some members can exhaust the creative juices. Say you've just posted five messages in a row of quality stuff and all of it has just gone right over their head. By that time there's no juices left, plus what's the point anyway, the effort's just wasted.
But they're not wasted to anyone else who enjoys seeing you at your best!
--Percy

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AZPaul3
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Message 23 of 98 (917745)
04-14-2024 7:55 PM
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04-14-2024 9:31 AM


Re: FYI
You got to me, Percy. Thank you.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 24 of 98 (917746)
04-14-2024 8:59 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by candle2
04-14-2024 7:47 AM


Re: FYI
I have the feeling that you know very little about God's
true church, though.
No, I do not know if there is a god or not. What I do know is that I am a materialist (on steroids). My world view.
The physical evidence does not support a supernatural entity like a god existing in this universe. At this time for humanity this is the only reality the universe has shown us.
Oh, but supernatural means no physics, right? No. Any god who diddles with his creation has to do so by moving particles of mass and energy around.
Did I mention physics on steroids? This is it.
To accomplish his purpose that means massive numbers of particles are moved in ways that would appear to be changed from the expected natural motive force, appear to violate causality, contrary to what we know physics requires. This is the hard physics, the steroids. There are no present viable options.
If these particles move contrary to our universe-wide never-violated experience of physics then … we gotcha! Big data point for god!
... or dark matter. That’s how we found the dark matter phenomenon, particles moving contrary to what they should. We really are good at seeing this stuff. So, no god-data-point this time but if we see like things in the future we’ll talk.
The physics doesn’t support god. At least not one that diddles in his creation. All we have left is emotion or logical reasoning to guide us. Did I mention my world view? On this question emotion is a known impediment to logical reasoning. It doesn't matter ... at all.
So, for me that logical reasoning goes like this.
Any earthly conception(s) of god(s) are non-starters. There are too many of them and they are too inconsistent in almost all things. They cannot all be right. But they can all be wrong. Physically, materially, there is no hard (on steroids) evidence that any of them are real, genuine, authentic. And we have a pretty good idea of the evolutionary imperatives, the human psychology and the violent histories that precipitated the earthly gods from human consciousness. None of them can realistically, intellectually, qualify as a god of this universe. I have nothing to hold there.
When I look out at this universe the only thing I see are stars. We have nothing that speaks to anything physical of a creation by some supernatural overseer. We have questions. Lots of questions. As our technology and enlightenment grow we answer these questions. We look everywhere light can reach us. We see nothing of god.
The only one-off anomaly we see in all the cosmos is life on earth. Intellectually we know there (must) be other life somewhere in this galaxy but, again on steroids, we have no evidence.
Therefore, if there is a god of this universe then we only need look at earth life to see his handiwork, his systems. We can see what he did, here, on earth. What did he create? Evolution. Survival of the just fit enough and much of that in anguish. Death. Nice god.
If he set the stage then walked away, effectively there is no god but what he left behind is anguish and death. If he diddled(s) in his creation, after setting this plan in motion, having created evolution and the psyche of humanity, and having the ability to diddle but not abate the anguish of life, he is an evil god.
I pray there is no such god. I pray such intended malevolence did not poison this cosmos or any beyond.
It would be nice to have everlasting life, maybe. Depends on the particulars. It would be nice if there was a god and my soul continued. I would like to travel the multiverse seeing the different life forms and the great cosmic spectacles. But, steroids, the arch of human life does not bend in that direction, so it appears, and there certainly is no physics to my desires. I would give it zero chance.
What is left is Gaia. A blind, emotionless, uncaring, unknowing force of world-creating and world-destroying cosmic powers. A personified conception of the reality of this universe. Whatever created this space, this existence, put Our Lady Gaia in charge. She ply’s her Physics with a steady, perfectly consistent and violent hand. She has no choice. Neither do we.
To some this is unsatisfying. No eternal answers to our most fervent existential desires. I do not look forward to my all too soon approaching death. I do not fancy the idea of an eternity of oblivion. But we have no other choice. Nothing else is in the cupboard.
There appears to be no god. Earth myths of an afterlife are known to stem from our human emotional angst. What we do all have worth celebrating is that we … I got to live. I am forever thankful for having this experience where an infinity of possible others never did. I got to enjoy Häagen-Dazs Chocolate Ice Cream and girls.
So, yes, candle2, I know the one true god better than most.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 25 of 98 (917749)
04-15-2024 7:42 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by Percy
04-14-2024 9:31 AM


Re: FYI
Percy, I never judge an individual's entirety based upon
their worse traits. There is good and bad in all of us.
However, if an individual's premises and conclusions can
stand on their own, there is no reason to resort to personal
attacks.
Tactfulness is a virtue.

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Message 26 of 98 (917775)
04-16-2024 8:31 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by AZPaul3
04-14-2024 8:59 PM


Re: FYI
AZPaul, you wrote:
"The physical evidence does not support a supernatural
entity like a god existing in this universe. At this time
for humanity this is the only reality the universe has
shown us."
***You say that the physical evidence does not support a
supernatural God.
So you believe that from nothing came the entire universe?
You believe that all the material in the universe was at
one time condensed into a tiny dot the size of a period?
Here's the period.
Do you believe that disorder creates order.
Do you believe that a house that is neglected by its owner
will automatically improve itself over time?
Do you believe life can be create by non-life; in other
words, something that is not itself alive?
Can a doorknob create life?
Can it cause consciousness?
Could an all-powerful Creator create dark matter, as well
as the laws of physics? And if not, why not.
You do not believe that God could exist because He does
not conform to your idea of how He should think, and what
He should believe, or how He should behave?
Could God have a reason, and a plan for why He conceals
Himself from humanity for a period of time?
And if not, why not?
Could God have a reason for the pain and suffering that
we go through?
Who can grow more wiser: one who has never been hungry,
and never experienced hardships, or one who has gone
through these and handled them?
Which individual is better equipped: one who has sympathy,
or one with empathy?
The Bible has answers to these questions, but the current
god of this age has blinded the eyes of God's wonderful
plan for us.

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Message 27 of 98 (917776)
04-16-2024 9:51 AM
Reply to: Message 26 by candle2
04-16-2024 8:31 AM


Re: FYI
Candle2:
So you believe that from nothing came the entire universe?
Do you believe that any scientist says the universe came from nothing? It's a straw man argument of reality, so good luck finding anyone going along with that bullshit.

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Message 28 of 98 (917780)
04-16-2024 10:45 AM
Reply to: Message 27 by Zucadragon
04-16-2024 9:51 AM


Re: FYI
Zucadrago, you stated:
"Do you believe that any scientist says the universe came
from nothing? It's a straw man argument of reality, so
good luck finding anyone going along with that bullshit."
***Absolutely, I am saying this!
Tell me how anything came to be.
I have a Book that was written by men who were
instructed by God; men who were filled with God's
Holy Spirit.
God told them that He created all there is.
The best the limited mind of atheistic scientists can
offer are suggestions that go like this:
In all likelihood; there's a possibility; there is a good
chance, we think that it, the very beginning was probably;
etc...
These from the same scientists who stress that life could
could have leached from rocks, or pond scum, of from a
meteorite.
The Creator states, matter of factly, that He did this.
Atheists can only offer suggestion.
One side is certain; the other side is grasping at straws.

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Message 29 of 98 (917782)
04-16-2024 10:56 AM
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04-16-2024 10:45 AM


Re: FYI
candle2 writes:
The Creator states, matter of factly, that He did this.
Men writing in books make that claim.
One side is certain; the other side is grasping at straws.
One side is dogmatic; the other side is open to evidence that would prove them wrong.

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Message 30 of 98 (917784)
04-16-2024 10:59 AM
Reply to: Message 26 by candle2
04-16-2024 8:31 AM


Re: FYI
So you believe that from nothing came the entire universe?
No.
You believe that all the material in the universe was at
one time condensed into a tiny dot the size of a period?
No.
Here's the period.
Fuck you, priest.
Do you believe that disorder creates order.
It can.
Do you believe that a house that is neglected by its owner
will automatically improve itself over time?
No.
Do you believe life can be create by non-life; in other
words, something that is not itself alive?
Yes.
Can a doorknob create life?
No.
Can it cause consciousness?
No.
Could an all-powerful Creator create dark matter, as well
as the laws of physics?
Yes.
You do not believe that God could exist because He does
not conform to your idea of how He should think, and what
He should believe, or how He should behave?
See my last post above. That explains my views on gods. Did you miss it?
Could God have a reason, and a plan for why He conceals
Himself from humanity for a period of time?
I’m certain your apologetics provides a reason for this fantasy.
Could God have a reason for the pain and suffering that
we go through?
I’m sure you can justify your god being evil.
Who can grow more wiser: one who has never been hungry,
and never experienced hardships, or one who has gone
through these and handled them?
Which individual is better equipped: one who has sympathy,
or one with empathy?
This is the sickness of religion. This is the poison. This is how you justify your god’s torture and cruelty to humanity. You are a priest of this temple trying to excuse evil with flippancy.
Candle2, your god is a fake. Intellect and history know this. It is a holdover myth from an archaic time in human evolution. Nothing more. That you cannot see, understand, comprehend the reasons we know this to be true is your own intellectual failing. You are a religious dumbshit and you have become a lying proselytizing fucking priest.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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