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Author Topic:   The Historical Jesus: Did He Create the Universe?
Percy
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Message 474 of 537 (917203)
03-26-2024 8:46 AM
Reply to: Message 473 by PaulK
03-25-2024 3:55 PM


Re: Rahvin vs Scripture
I thought the suggestion to follow the traditional standards of history when discussing what the historical Jesus actually did was a good one. I don't see how candle2's review of Biblical prophecy ties into that.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 493 of 537 (917422)
04-07-2024 7:27 AM
Reply to: Message 492 by candle2
04-06-2024 4:39 PM


Re: Rahvin vs Scripture
candle2 in Message 492 writes:
***I take it that both you and Paulk are so accustomed to
making fulfilled prophecies that it is of no significance
when someone else does it
You would take wrong, oh sarcastic one.
Most scholars believe the historicity of Jesus. And there
are many more who will not deny that He existed.
Your first sentence was accurate, your second not. If we're talking about Biblical scholars then very, very few deny the existence of Jesus.
None of us who are alive today know for certain that many
recorded by history as being alive centuries ago actually
existed or not.
Agreed.
Did Marco Polo exist? Did Tiberious Caesar exist? How
would one know?
Funny that you would choose two people for whom a great deal of evidence of their reality exists. Why not use William Tell and King Arthur as examples?
How would one explain the incredible expansion of
Christianity during the first and second century A.D., if
a man known as Jesus the Christ never existed.
Paul.
More has been written about Jesus than has been recorded
of the vast majority of men in history.
It takes faith to believe in them.
Yep.
Will you be getting to the part about where the historical Jesus created the universe soon?
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 498 of 537 (917427)
04-07-2024 9:31 AM
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04-07-2024 9:04 AM


Re: Rahvin vs Scripture
Long ago we granted that for the sake of discussion in this thread the historical Jesus is a real person. Your task now is to show that the historical Jesus created the universe.
ICANT began this weird thread, and when he abandoned it you for some reason decided to take his place. Is his claim that it was the historical Jesus who created the universe one you really want to support? You mentioned faith earlier. Isn't it more the Jesus of faith who you believe created the universe?
--Percy

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Message 502 of 537 (917434)
04-07-2024 1:46 PM
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04-07-2024 1:14 PM


Re: Rahvin vs Scripture
For this discussion it is assumed that Jesus was a historical personage.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 507 of 537 (917445)
04-08-2024 10:03 AM
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04-08-2024 9:16 AM


Re: Rahvin vs Scripture
Please proceed with your evidence and arguments that the historical Jesus created the universe.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 527 of 537 (917587)
04-11-2024 7:24 AM
Reply to: Message 525 by candle2
04-10-2024 4:53 PM


Re: Rahvin vs Scripture
You don't even mention Jesus once. You're supposed to be presenting evidence and providing arguments that the Jesus of history (not of faith) created the universe.
The premise of this thread is ICANT's, and I don't think it's one you buy into. I don't think you even accept a Jesus of history. Why are you arguing for something you don't believe?
--Percy

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