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Topic: 2024 US Presidential Election
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marc9000
Member Posts: 1522 From: Ky U.S. Joined: 12-25-2009 Member Rating: 1.4
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Message 781 of 871 (917199)
03-25-2024 8:57 PM
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Reply to: Message 776 by Taq
03-25-2024 12:48 PM
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Re: bloodbath
I also fail to understand how 9/11 or the national debt has anything to do with immigration. If nothing else, expanding the tax base would help with lowering the national debt. You don't believe in border security at all? The Roman Empire fell largely because of hostile invasions. Allowing illiterate, non-English speaking immigrants unlimited access would expand tax DEPENDENCY. That's well underway right now.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 782 of 871 (917200)
03-25-2024 9:21 PM
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Reply to: Message 781 by marc9000
03-25-2024 8:57 PM
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Re: bloodbath
Do tell us about the fall of the Roman Empire.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?
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xongsmith
Member Posts: 2587 From: massachusetts US Joined: 01-01-2009 Member Rating: 7.0
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Message 783 of 871 (917201)
03-25-2024 10:11 PM
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Reply to: Message 780 by marc9000
03-25-2024 8:47 PM
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Re: bloodbath
marc9000 writes
trying to bar a top presidential candidate from a major party no, just trying to enforce the Constitution, you idiot. Edited by Admin, : Fix quote.
"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside." Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned! Enjoy every sandwich! - xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale
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Percy
Member Posts: 22505 From: New Hampshire Joined: 12-23-2000 Member Rating: 5.4
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Message 784 of 871 (917202)
03-26-2024 8:25 AM
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Reply to: Message 779 by marc9000
03-25-2024 8:38 PM
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Re: bloodbath
marc9000 in Message 779 writes: It's her political opinion of Trump when she was running for Attorney General, but NOT her opinion of him AS Attorney General? This is really weird. So she's two completely different people depending on if she has the position of Attorney General, or before she had that position? Now you're playing ignorant. Even you know that political campaigns bring out speech that is put on the shelf once in office.
So if it's a conservative source it's an opinion piece, and if it's the NY Times it's an unbiased investigative piece? When it comes to specific news organizations ratings of bias, just about any source places the NY Times about as far left as any of them can be. You're the one calling the Law & Crime article an opinion piece, not me. My only comment was that the attorneys for the corrupt Trump Foundation aren't the best sources. Much of the information in the Pulitzer Prize winning New York Times investigative piece was found accurate and helpful during the investigation and at trial.
marc9000 writes: What does that matter, if it contains logic and facts?
It's an opinion piece from the Washington Examiner. You called it an "MSN link" and gave no clue as to the source, so I supplied the missing information. I didn't "call" it an MSN link,... Then you don't understand your own plain English: "Now for a few more cuts from an MSN link."
It was a Washington Examiner piece contained in an MSN link. As a well-poisoner, sources seem very important to you. The Examiner poisons its own well by swimming in the cesspool of Trump lies.
If you think it contains facts relevant to your position then you're welcome to introduce them into the discussion. That Quin Hillyer thinks the Trump monetary penalty akin to fining a jaywalker $50,000 is an opinion, not a fact. A common sense opinion, if Trump's fines are compared to fines imposed on others, for more serious crimes, for people who aren't the target of election interference. The law is there to prevent people and businesses from profiting from fraud or illegal business practices or causing people or businesses to lose money due to same. Trump's penalties are the sum of his ill-gotten profits and his costs to others. You engage in a lot of whataboutism, but it was thought (wrongly, it turns out) that to discourage someone who tells us he's worth $10 billion from further public defamatory comments would take a $65 million dollar damage award. Concerning your argument based upon Ruth Bader Ginsburg comments, of course the 8th amendment applies to the cases against Trump. But penalizing him any less would have allowed him to profit from his schemes. The $355 million penality in the New York real estate case was not punitive. It was recovery of illegally obtained money. It was the $65 million awarded in the Carroll case that was explicitly punitive.
"Chill the speech of political enemies", that's not an opinion of what's being done to Trump, that's a fact. One would hope that penalties for past crimes, both one's own and those of others, would set an example preventing future crimes, but if that were true then crime would be no more. Certainly the $65 million dollar punitive award in the Carroll case has had no effect on Trump speech as he requests a new trial while continuing to defame Carroll publicly. The analogy would be a bank robber out on bail who robs another bank while appealing his conviction for bank robbery. --Percy Edited by Percy, : Grammar.
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Taq
Member Posts: 10085 Joined: 03-06-2009 Member Rating: 5.6
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Message 785 of 871 (917207)
03-26-2024 10:51 AM
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Reply to: Message 780 by marc9000
03-25-2024 8:47 PM
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Re: bloodbath
marc9000 writes: Presidential cabinets are always full of appointed partisans. We aren't talking about cabinets. We are talking about judges in courts. Judges don't run on partisan tickets. They aren't partisans. There are even many positions in local governments that are elected on non-partisan tickets. For example, the mayoral election in my city doesn't have an R or D next to the candidates names.
Four LIBERAL? They were appointed by a liberal governor, and made the most liberal decision ever in the U.S., trying to bar a top presidential candidate from a major party from the state ballot. Last I checked, LIBERAL isn't a political party so it isn't partisan. In fact, both the Democrats and Republicans used to have both liberal and conservative wings within their own parties. You also haven't shown why the decision they made was the most liberal ever made. That's just you making stuff up, especially given the fact that the 13th amendment has already been used multiple times to remove people from office.
Anti-democracy - that's as liberal as it gets. Following the US Constitution is anti-democracy?
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Taq
Member Posts: 10085 Joined: 03-06-2009 Member Rating: 5.6
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Message 786 of 871 (917208)
03-26-2024 10:54 AM
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Reply to: Message 781 by marc9000
03-25-2024 8:57 PM
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Re: bloodbath
marc9000 writes: You don't believe in border security at all? You claimed that having open borders would end a democracy. I am pointing out that the US had an open border for the majority of its history. History proves you wrong.
The Roman Empire fell largely because of hostile invasions. Allowing illiterate, non-English speaking immigrants unlimited access would expand tax DEPENDENCY. That's well underway right now.
And yet the US withstood that very thing for most of its history.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 787 of 871 (917214)
03-26-2024 2:39 PM
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Wow!
For only $59.99, you too can own the only Bible proudly endorsed by donny. Endorsed by lee too. Only 4-6 weeks for delivery (don't tell anyone, we don't have a printer yet, but that shouldn't be hard for us to find. Maybe same place we find to make the shoes). God Bless The USA Bible
Evidence that with donny there is no bottom and no end of what he will do more money. I have read a few bibles, none this thin. Not sure how it can be "Easy-to-read, large print" and "slim design". What did they cut out? The Old testament? Acts? Everything but the Gospels?
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?
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Taq
Member Posts: 10085 Joined: 03-06-2009 Member Rating: 5.6
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Re: Wow!
Theodoric writes: For only $59.99, you too can own the only Bible proudly endorsed by donny. Does it self combust? At least you can be assured Donny's fingerprints will not be all over the pages, nor the pages of any Bible for that matter.
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Percy
Member Posts: 22505 From: New Hampshire Joined: 12-23-2000 Member Rating: 5.4
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marc9000
Member Posts: 1522 From: Ky U.S. Joined: 12-25-2009 Member Rating: 1.4
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Message 790 of 871 (917218)
03-26-2024 5:12 PM
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Reply to: Message 784 by Percy
03-26-2024 8:25 AM
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Re: bloodbath
Now you're playing ignorant. Even you know that political campaigns bring out speech that is put on the shelf once in office. Oh James put her hatred of Trump on the shelf once she got into office? Hahahaha, I guess only Democrats shelve it. Anything Trump claims about "bloodbaths" and the like is very scary, isn't it? (I love this place)
You're the one calling the Law & Crime article an opinion piece, not me. Message 771 PERCY WRITES; You didn't cite any facts, just quoted from a Crime & Law opinion piece at length. [bolded mine, hahahahahahaha] I've GOT to go for awhile, but I'll leave you and all your helpers with some good news for you; Biden and his base do seem to have 2 aces that Lyndon Johnson and his base, and Jimmy Carter and his base, didn't have. I recently saw, on the news feed on my phone, an opinion piece (maybe an investigative piece, since it was from the far left) about comparisons of cognitive decline between Biden and Trump. I don't remember where it was from, I'll have to summarize it the best I can from memory. Let's see, Biden falls down, turns to shake hands when no one's there, can't find his way off a stage sometimes, mumbles incoherently sometimes, and confuses names and times. Trump never falls down, never turns to shake hands with air, always finds his way off stages, always speaks clearly, and sometimes confuses names and times. Biden is just a elderly gentleman who's aging in a natural way, in addition to being a SUPERSTAR president. Trump has DEMENTIA, they know that because a huge number of liberal doctors have made that expert determination, and they're all as wise as a tree full of owls. If Trump's elected president again, the legal system which has no political bias whatsoever, will have no choice but to impeach and remove him from office under the 25th amendment because he clearly will not be capable of executing the office of the president. And Democrats new definition of democracy will celebrate a victory!! The one thing I didn't notice there however, was the fact that Trump will at least have a vice-president who is fully capable of taking over the office of president. Biden doesn't have one of those. Ace #2 is the Taylor Swift one. Later this summer or early fall, I predict that Taylor, (after receiving a few billion$ from the DNC,) will publicly and enthusiastically endorse Biden for president, and encourage all her little starry eyed followers to vote for him, never mind that their vast stores of historical and political knowledge are actually non-existent. This could sew up the election for Biden, similar to the way the mainstream media cover-up of the Hunter Biden laptop news did in 2020. So take heart, and keep a close eye on Rachel Maddow and Joe Scarborough for the latest in Trump facts. So ta-ta till next time, I'll keep reading here sometimes for entertainment. Or maybe not. 
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Percy
Member Posts: 22505 From: New Hampshire Joined: 12-23-2000 Member Rating: 5.4
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Message 791 of 871 (917222)
03-26-2024 6:13 PM
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Reply to: Message 790 by marc9000
03-26-2024 5:12 PM
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Re: bloodbath
marc9000 in Message 790 writes: Now you're playing ignorant. Even you know that political campaigns bring out speech that is put on the shelf once in office. Oh James put her hatred of Trump on the shelf once she got into office? Hahahaha, I guess only Democrats shelve it. Anything Trump claims about "bloodbaths" and the like is very scary, isn't it? (I love this place) We were talking about political speech. I'm sure James's opinions didn't change upon taking office.
You're the one calling the Law & Crime article an opinion piece, not me. Message 771 PERCY WRITES; You didn't cite any facts, just quoted from a Crime & Law opinion piece at length. [bolded mine, hahahahahahaha] It's not an opinion piece, I don't know why I said that. Maybe because much of it is a quotation of the opinions of the attorneys for the fraudulent Trump foundation. --Percy
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Taq
Member Posts: 10085 Joined: 03-06-2009 Member Rating: 5.6
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Message 792 of 871 (917224)
03-27-2024 11:18 AM
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Reply to: Message 790 by marc9000
03-26-2024 5:12 PM
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Re: bloodbath
marc9000 writes: Biden and his base do seem to have 2 aces that Lyndon Johnson and his base, and Jimmy Carter and his base, didn't have. The two aces that Biden has to play. #1: Trump is nucking futs. The MAGA crowd laps it up, but Trump needs independents and moderate conservatives, and he is chasing both of them away. The current GOP, run by Trump, can't govern and it shows everyone what a Trump presidency would look like. It's so bad even moderate House Republicans are resigning mid term because they want nothing to do with it. Biden is a normie, which is why people call him Uncle Joe. #2: The economy is in good shape. For example, the economy during the Biden presidency has created more jobs 3 years than the last 3 Republican presidents combined. This is why you see so many Republicans trying to lie about the economy. Taylor Swift already endorsed Biden back in 2020, and Republicans played their part by making everyone very aware of this fact. Not only are Republicans chasing voters out of their own party, but they are shining a light on people so they have someone to run towards. Edited by Taq, . Edited by Taq, . Edited by Taq, . Edited by Taq, . Edited by Taq, .
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Rahvin
Member Posts: 4046 Joined: 07-01-2005 Member Rating: 8.3
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Message 793 of 871 (917227)
03-27-2024 12:38 PM
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Reply to: Message 792 by Taq
03-27-2024 11:18 AM
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Re: bloodbath
You forgot another ace - women's healthcare. The fall of Roe has been predictably and *spectacularly* unpopular. Republicans and, in particular Trump, bear the full weight of responsibility for that most asinine Supreme Court decision. I suppose this is a subset of Trump and the Republicans' inability to actually govern, but there are a lot of voters who are going to flip - some red to abstain or 3rd party, some red and abstain to blue. And the Republicans are having a funding crisis. Trump has been sucking RNC money lime mad on top of alienating very major previously-reliable big-money donors. Even more Americans today see the truth of Trump and the modern Republican party than 4 or 8 years ago. The only real advantage Trump has is that Biden has lost an incredible amount of support over his handling of Israel and Gaza. And that doesnt directly benefit Trump (it's widely acknowledged that if anything Trump would be even worse on the issue), it's just going to cause a lot of people who otherwise would have voted for Biden to just not vote or vote for 3rd parties.
“The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it.” - Francis Bacon"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers “A world that can be explained even with bad reasons is a familiar world. But, on the other hand, in a universe suddenly divested of illusions and lights, man feels an alien, a stranger. His exile is without remedy since he is deprived of the memory of a lost home or the hope of a promised land. This divorce between man and his life, the actor and his setting, is properly the feeling of absurdity.” – Albert Camus "...the pious hope that by combining numerous little turds of variously tainted data, one can obtain a valuable result; but in fact, the outcome is merely a larger than average pile of shit." - Barash, David 1995... "Many that live deserve death. And some die that deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then be not too eager to deal out death in the name of justice, fearing for your own safety. Even the wise cannot see all ends." - Gandalf, J. R. R. Tolkien: The Lord Of the Rings "The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death."
1 Corinthians 15:26King James Version (KJV) Nihil supernum
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Rahvin
Member Posts: 4046 Joined: 07-01-2005 Member Rating: 8.3
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Message 794 of 871 (917228)
03-27-2024 12:55 PM
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Reply to: Message 780 by marc9000
03-25-2024 8:47 PM
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Re: bloodbath
Marc, would it surprise you to know that "liberals" are not actually leftists? Liberals are center-*right.* They still want capitalism. They just want..."nicer" capitalism. Capitalism with some controls to prevent *some* capitalist oppression and exploitation. Maybe some clean water laws, maybe some minimum wage laws, maybe some anti-trust laws, that sort of thing. Actual leftists are socialists and communists...many of whom also are anti-authoritarian, and so do not want any form of socialism or communism resembling the not-actually-communist Soviet Union. (there are "tankies" who do praise the Soviets, and they are dumb and bad) And socialists and communists want democracy too - they want *more* democracy, in fact, than authoritarian right-wingers like Trump, or even liberals. You might want to consider that you've been lied to, and that many of the beliefs you hold do not accurately reflect reality, especially in your beliefs about the beliefs of others. If you want to understand what people on the "left," or even liberals, actually believe, you might try talking to some and actually asking them, instead of believing rage-bait talking points.
“The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it.” - Francis Bacon"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers “A world that can be explained even with bad reasons is a familiar world. But, on the other hand, in a universe suddenly divested of illusions and lights, man feels an alien, a stranger. His exile is without remedy since he is deprived of the memory of a lost home or the hope of a promised land. This divorce between man and his life, the actor and his setting, is properly the feeling of absurdity.” – Albert Camus "...the pious hope that by combining numerous little turds of variously tainted data, one can obtain a valuable result; but in fact, the outcome is merely a larger than average pile of shit." - Barash, David 1995... "Many that live deserve death. And some die that deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then be not too eager to deal out death in the name of justice, fearing for your own safety. Even the wise cannot see all ends." - Gandalf, J. R. R. Tolkien: The Lord Of the Rings "The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death."
1 Corinthians 15:26King James Version (KJV) Nihil supernum
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Taq
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Message 795 of 871 (917229)
03-27-2024 1:19 PM
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Reply to: Message 793 by Rahvin
03-27-2024 12:38 PM
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Re: bloodbath
Rahvin writes: You forgot another ace - women's healthcare. The fall of Roe has been predictably and *spectacularly* unpopular. Republicans and, in particular Trump, bear the full weight of responsibility for that most asinine Supreme Court decision. The GOP has also shown just how extreme their views are. For example, they are attempting to ban IVF in Alabama. The only (small) upside for Trump is that he has always been a reluctant Pro Lifer, but he can't stop beating the abortion ban drum when his crowds call for it.
The only real advantage Trump has is that Biden has lost an incredible amount of support over his handling of Israel and Gaza. That would top my list of Biden weaknesses as well. I will be interested to see how it plays out closer to the election. Are reliable Democratic voters going to make it possible for Trump to be elected because of Biden's actions in Israel/Gaza? I can't imagine Trump's position being any better than Biden's.
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