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Topic: The Historical Jesus: Did He Create the Universe?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Are you John Philip Jaeger or just stealing his crap? You both get Haughton's name wrong and the name of the school wrong Science of the Bible - John Phillip Jaeger - Google Books
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Seems like this copypasta is all over the place and Mr. Jaeger used it in his book. What a putz. Evidence That Demands a Verdict
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?
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Minnemooseus
Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: 11-11-2001 Member Rating: 10.0
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Message 378 of 530 (916798)
03-12-2024 10:37 PM
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Reply to: Message 376 by Theodoric
03-12-2024 10:11 PM
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Information publicly available in his profile indicates that he is indeed a "John Jaeger", and quite possibly that "John Philip Jaeger". Moose
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Lol. What a maroon. You used a vanity publisher to market a book with information you stole from internet posts and other authors. Hilarious. The first two dudes a from Ravi Zacharias, Who Made God. Who Made God?: And Answers to Over 100 Other Tough Questions of Faith - Zondervan, - Google BooksI wonder how Amazon is going to feel about plagiarism.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?
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ChemEngineer
Junior Member Posts: 18 From: Irvine CA 92606 Joined: 03-10-2024
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"Mock them! Ridicule them (Christians)! With contempt!" - Richard Dawkins There is NOTHING that atheists do more often than mock, ridicule, and speak in the most hateful, condescending terms possible. Nothing. This is your brand of "rationality" and "intellectualism." You should be ashamed of your contemptible actions, but you never are and never will be. Quotations by famous people are frequently cited everywhere, without noting the source. If you are so interested in the source, look it up yourself. Don't be so lazy and demanding. I took nothing from any Ravi Zacharias book. You make foolish assumptions and then attribute your nonsense to me - a common practice of atheists and Leftists. Edited by ChemEngineer, . Edited by ChemEngineer, .
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Admin
Director Posts: 13046 From: EvC Forum Joined: 06-14-2002 Member Rating: 2.7
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Message 381 of 530 (916818)
03-13-2024 1:39 PM
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Proposal to Close Thread
I propose closing this thread because the topic isn't being discussed. Any objections?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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You do realize that I have a complete record of your original post before you completely rewrote it? As Admin is going to close this thread I will not bother responding to either one. Your original post BTW, learn what signatures are.
chemjesusdude writes:
Theodoric: "This the best you got? Two of these dudes aren't even lawyers. Where did you get this copypasta?" ​ I did not say that all of them were lawyers. Why do leftists and atheists put words into the mouths of people they despise and then condemn their own misplaced words? ​ Some of the citations are from books I have read and taken notes on. I read many of Richard Dawkins' books and seen his hatefulness on videos. What a miserable person, married three times. ​ Theodoric again: "What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts.' ___________________________ Wow, deep. Your intellectualism and sophistication are on full display. There is profound evidence which has repeatedly been presented to haughty atheists. They ALWAYS deny any and all evidence, from any source. Eighty-five percent of Nobel Laureates are Christians and Jews. They know science. They know evidence. They don't lie. Deal with that and spin it until you get dizzy. ___________________________ ​ Theodoric: "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. ​ If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie? _____________________- ​ NOBODY but you atheists say "God did it." NOBODY ELSE. ​ Again you put your words into others' mouths and then condemn them for your misprepresentations. That's lying. It's shameful but you have no shame
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?
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Phat
Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.0
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Message 383 of 530 (916820)
03-13-2024 2:15 PM
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Reply to: Message 381 by Admin
03-13-2024 1:39 PM
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Re: Proposal to Close Thread
Nah go ahead. The spammer/scammer settled the mood. It appears to me that there is no objective evidence, but we who believe do not care nor feel threatened by such evidence. (of absence) We are merely waiting for the rest of you to see the light. Let's talk about Jeffrey Sachs and his views on the war in Ukraine. I will start with a new topic. 
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4452 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.5
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Message 384 of 530 (916821)
03-13-2024 2:15 PM
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Reply to: Message 381 by Admin
03-13-2024 1:39 PM
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Re: Proposal to Close Thread
ICANT already conceded that it is all BS, so go for it.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq Why should anyone debate someone who doesn't know the subject? -- AZPaul3
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dwise1
Member Posts: 5952 Joined: 05-02-2006 Member Rating: 5.7
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Message 385 of 530 (916823)
03-13-2024 2:43 PM
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Reply to: Message 381 by Admin
03-13-2024 1:39 PM
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Re: Proposal to Close Thread
Agreed. The entire topic was started under false pretenses, a classic apologist bait-and- switch making promises he never intended to honor. Now it's attracting flies.
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AZPaul3
Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: 11-06-2006 Member Rating: 5.1
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Message 386 of 530 (916825)
03-13-2024 2:57 PM
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Reply to: Message 381 by Admin
03-13-2024 1:39 PM
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Re: Proposal to Close Thread
Too bad. I happen to know where this jesus-energy came from. But, even if he were here I'm thinking the thread would have devolved into "It's majik!', "No, it's science!", "No , it's majik!" Though, consider, as topic-lost as this thread may be it does seem to act as fly paper drawing in a few interesting characters. Adds some additional insane fantasy color to the place.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Minnemooseus
Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: 11-11-2001 Member Rating: 10.0
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Message 387 of 530 (916831)
03-13-2024 9:17 PM
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The Historical Jesus: Did He Create the Universe?
The Historical Jesus - Per the Bible(?), born some 2000+ years ago. Per the same Bible, the universe came to be a fair amount of time before that. Answer to the topic title question is NO. Moose
Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U
Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment."Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer." - Bruce Graham "The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith "Yesterday on Fox News, commentator Glenn Beck said that he believes President Obama is a racist. To be fair, every time you watch Glenn Beck, it does get a little easier to hate white people." - Conan O'Brien "Politics is not the art of the possible. It consists in choosing between the disastrous and the unpalatable." - John Kenneth Galbraith It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn't know what he was talking about. - Paul Krugman (as stolen from Chiroptera's signature) "My fellow Americans, I'm pleased to tell you today that I've signed legislation that will outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes" - Ronald Reagan (1984) "I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose
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AZPaul3
Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: 11-06-2006 Member Rating: 5.1
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Re: The Historical Jesus: Did He Create the Universe?
The Gospel According To AZPaul3: 13When in the forum where The Mooseus appears know ye that the Mooseus wise beyond his peers and wise beyond the depths of the Universal Well of knowledge so states from the high place "This is so", pay heed all peoples and rejoice in the knowledge for the Mooseus surely knows His Stuff. 14I checked and he's right. AZPaul3 3:13-14
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Phat
Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.0
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Message 389 of 530 (916836)
03-14-2024 7:08 AM
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Reply to: Message 388 by AZPaul3
03-14-2024 12:49 AM
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Re: The Historical Jesus: Did He Create the Universe?
Moose doesn't comment much nor stir the waters, but he is a valued admin and one to respect.
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Phat
Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.0
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Re: The Historical Jesus: Did He Create the Universe?
We should have just stuck to the Title: Did Jesus Create The Universe? Thats a YES in my mind. This whole "Historical" mumbo jumbo is simply an attempt by satan and his minions to discredit the Bible. I think ICANT wanted to rope the skeptics in, but he then abandoned his efforts when the heat was turned up.
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