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Theodoric
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Message 346 of 352 (916649)
03-08-2024 12:06 PM 		Reply to: Message 343 by Phat
03-08-2024 2:08 AM

Re: A Rabbit Trail About Gambling and Addiction
This post just proves how removed from reality you are.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 347 of 352 (916663)
03-08-2024 2:11 PM 		Reply to: Message 344 by Percy
03-08-2024 10:20 AM

Re: The Problem With Excessive Government
You will have to give a review and pointers when you get back.
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What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Phat
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Message 348 of 352 (916684)
03-09-2024 12:11 PM 		Reply to: Message 346 by Theodoric
03-08-2024 12:06 PM

Fantasy and Reality
Assuming for a moment that I live in fantasy, what should I do? I refuse to drink any kool-aid.
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In my opinion, we have two old-man candidates and two cults.
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My Niece wants a younger option.
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My conservative friend says that there is only one truth.
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Hopefully, he means God and not Trump.
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Message 349 of 352 (916686)
03-09-2024 12:23 PM 		Reply to: Message 348 by Phat
03-09-2024 12:11 PM

Re: Fantasy and Reality
Assuming for a moment that I live in fantasy, what should I do? I refuse to drink any kool-aid.
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Everyone has drunk some amount of kool-aid.
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If you want to drink less kool-aid (which is a goal I wholeheartedly endorse, literally and figuratively - thats just too much sugar), you need to critically examine your existing beliefs. Not only new assertions other people make - you have to critically examine what you already believe.
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My Niece wants a younger option.
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That seems more than reasonable, but here we are.
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My conservative friend says that there is only one truth.
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He's right - there is only one truth. The truth is what the facts are. The question is simply how your beliefs match up against true facts...and how they don't.
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What do you think you know, and how do you think you know it?
“The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it.” - Francis Bacon

"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers

“A world that can be explained even with bad reasons is a familiar world. But, on the other hand, in a universe suddenly divested of illusions and lights, man feels an alien, a stranger. His exile is without remedy since he is deprived of the memory of a lost home or the hope of a promised land. This divorce between man and his life, the actor and his setting, is properly the feeling of absurdity.” – Albert Camus

"...the pious hope that by combining numerous little turds of variously tainted data, one can obtain a valuable result; but in fact, the outcome is merely a larger than average pile of shit." - Barash, David 1995...

"Many that live deserve death. And some die that deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then be not too eager to deal out death in the name of justice, fearing for your own safety. Even the wise cannot see all ends." - Gandalf, J. R. R. Tolkien: The Lord Of the Rings

"The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death."
1 Corinthians 15:26King James Version (KJV)

Nihil supernum

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Theodoric
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Message 350 of 352 (916690)
03-09-2024 1:16 PM 		Reply to: Message 348 by Phat
03-09-2024 12:11 PM

Re: Fantasy and Reality
My Niece wants a younger option.
As do I. Alas, we have what we have.
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My conservative friend says that there is only one truth.
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More conservative than you? Truth is amorphous. No two people have the same truth.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Phat
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Message 351 of 352 (916696)
03-09-2024 3:33 PM 		Reply to: Message 350 by Theodoric
03-09-2024 1:16 PM

Re: Fantasy and Reality
Theo writes:
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Truth is amorphous. No two people have the same truth.
Had to look this up.
American Heritage Dictionary writes:
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amorphous /ə-môr′fəs/
adjective
  • Lacking physical form or shape.
  • Lacking organization; formless.
  • Lacking a crystalline structure.
My conservative friend is like me in that he believes in Jesus and yet unlike me in that he is pro-Trump.We even disagree on Jesus. I believe Jesus was likely of darker skin tone as many in the Middle East are. My friend believes that He was more white.
We do agree that Jesus is the only way to God, Truth, and Life.
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By and large, my Conservative friends are Christians.
I do have some progressive friends who, like myself, are pro-Jesus and anti-Trump.
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Theodoric
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Message 352 of 352 (916698)
03-09-2024 3:57 PM 		Reply to: Message 351 by Phat
03-09-2024 3:33 PM

Re: Fantasy and Reality
Finding truth is like trying to nail jello to the wall.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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