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Theodoric
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Message 406 of 1053 (915242)
02-11-2024 11:40 AM
Reply to: Message 404 by Phat
02-11-2024 11:03 AM


Re: Source Meet Content
We will never know everything but we collectively learn from each other.
This is hilarious. You have been coming here for over 20 years and you have learned nothing.
Stop trying to throw trolls out of the classroom.
Trolls, like you, do not want to discuss or learn. They want to disrupt and push beliefs and dogma. There is no place for them in an informed rational discussion.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 407 of 1053 (915243)
02-11-2024 11:42 AM
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02-11-2024 10:41 AM


Re: Sources Of Information
So you honestly think that I am ignorant?
YES, and willfully so.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Taq
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Message 408 of 1053 (915662)
02-16-2024 10:47 AM
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02-11-2024 10:41 AM


Re: Sources Of Information
Phat writes:
Do you think that I would be better off "conforming" to the rest of you?
No one is asking for anyone to conform to an ideology. What I think many of us "liberals" wish for is that people learn what the facts are instead of living in a fantasy world. By "liberals" I mean a wide spectrum of people from both the left and right who happen to believe that facts are important.
I think there are very healthy policy debates that could happen between the left and right sides of our political system, but that's not what we are getting. Instead, we are just continually rolling our eyes as the GOP circus gets all riled up about the latest misinformation found on Facebook or Fox News. A perfect example is the GOP refusing to vote on a bipartisan border bill THAT THEY NEGOTIATED FOR.

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AZPaul3
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Message 409 of 1053 (915672)
02-16-2024 12:10 PM
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02-16-2024 10:47 AM


Re: Sources Of Information
A perfect example is the GOP refusing to vote on a bipartisan border bill THAT THEY NEGOTIATED FOR.
As I understand this was a Trump order. He called the party down.
After beating the Border horse into submission, the GOP was surprised and pleased when democrats agreed on a deal. But then Trump pulled the plug.
Having a new national border plan would look like a Biden victory. Biden would get the credit. Doesn't matter that it would be good for the nation. It would be a Biden win and the Cheeto cannot allow that. The society, the nation, the world must be kept in misery until the Great One Himself can resurrect his holy rule and re-make all in his image which is the best image. The finest image ever.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Tanypteryx
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Message 410 of 1053 (915676)
02-16-2024 12:27 PM
Reply to: Message 409 by AZPaul3
02-16-2024 12:10 PM


Re: Sources Of Information
I guess there wasn't an emergency at the border after all. This is a much better Biden campaign message than border legislation if his campaign can capitalize on it. Plus it's great for Dems running for Congress.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
Why should anyone debate someone who doesn't know the subject? -- AZPaul3

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Taq
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Message 411 of 1053 (915690)
02-16-2024 1:46 PM
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02-16-2024 12:10 PM


Re: Sources Of Information
AZPaul3 writes:
As I understand this was a Trump order. He called the party down.
Yep. They will do everything they can to stop Biden from helping the American people because it would make Biden look good.
The GOP platform has devolved into "Whatever the Democrats are for we are against".

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Tanypteryx
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Message 412 of 1053 (915697)
02-16-2024 2:19 PM
Reply to: Message 411 by Taq
02-16-2024 1:46 PM


Re: Sources Of Information
The GOP platform has devolved into "Whatever the Democrats are for we are against".
"And we'll castrate any Republican who talks to a Democrat!!!!"

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
Why should anyone debate someone who doesn't know the subject? -- AZPaul3

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Percy
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Message 413 of 1053 (915966)
02-21-2024 8:11 AM


Hunter Biden Accuser Arrested
This happened last week and should be noted in this thread. FBI informant Alexander Smirnov, who claimed to have direct knowledge of corruption by President Biden and his son Hunter Biden and whose testimony to the Comer committee has been central to their efforts to impeach President Biden, was arrested last week for lying to the FBI and creating false records:
FBI informant Smirnov has since been indicted on the two counts. David Weiss is the lead prosecutor on the team filing the charges and has been leading the investigation into Hunter Biden. In other words, Weiss is now prosecuting his lead witness in his corruption case against Hunter Biden.
The investigation continues, of course. There's much we still do not know. But the suspicion is that Weiss's lead witness is a Russian spy with orders to interfere in the American election. Weiss was appointed by Trump and appears to be just as much a dupe for Putin as his former boss.
It will take time because the Republicans will continue trying to create false suspicions about Biden corruption, but this should eventually cause the Hunter Biden investigation and the Joe Biden impeachment investigation to fade away.
--Percy

  
AZPaul3
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Message 414 of 1053 (916428)
03-03-2024 11:43 AM


We Da People Dumb As Stump
Biden is now seen as too old to be effective as president.

Majority of Biden’s 2020 Voters Now Say He’s Too Old to Be Effective - The New York Times

Of course the Republicans are going to bang on this with both fists in the press and the trumpettes are going to be kicking this can as loud as they can all over the internet and social media. The perceptions are set and every slip, faux pas and hesitation will be magnified a hundred times before dinner.

As seen in other polls large segments of American society continue to be so alienate and dumb, they think Trump is the Second Coming. This perception of Old Joe’s “effectiveness” may well lose him this election.

Are We The People really that stupid? I don’t see practical alternatives. The Democrats have not fostered any. Plenty of Republicans in the public eye ready and able to jump into Trump’s place as dictator-in-waiting. No Savior Statesman from the Dems.

Old Joe is the only viable option considering the alternative’s assaults on our society, our constitution, our world. I feel that slipping away.

Help.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Phat
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Message 415 of 1053 (916431)
03-03-2024 12:00 PM
Reply to: Message 408 by Taq
02-16-2024 10:47 AM


Facts and Beliefs
Taq writes:
What I think many of us "liberals" wish for is that people learn what the facts are instead of living in a fantasy world. By "liberals" I mean a wide spectrum of people from both the left and right who happen to believe that facts are important.
Perhaps my problem (among many) is that I never let anyones facts influence my beliefs. Then again, you caught me on a bad day. My blood sugar is 248 and dropping. I am going to take my insulin and nap for 90 minutes. Back in a few.

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Phat
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Message 416 of 1053 (916432)
03-03-2024 12:03 PM
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03-03-2024 11:43 AM


Re: We Da People Dumb As Stump
Before I nap, I wanted to relate that I heard that the Dems plan on electing Gaven Newsome as their candidate, bypassing old Joe. Any truth to that rumor or should I just take my nap and return in 90 minutes? (Blood Sugar 241 and dropping)

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AZPaul3
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Message 417 of 1053 (916434)
03-03-2024 12:07 PM
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03-03-2024 12:03 PM


Re: We Da People Dumb As Stump
Go nap. The echo chamber can wait.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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PaulK
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Message 418 of 1053 (916435)
03-03-2024 12:25 PM
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03-03-2024 12:03 PM


Re: We Da People Dumb As Stump
The LA Times poured cold water on that idea more than 2 weeks ago - arguing that it was too late to do it even then.

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Theodoric
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Message 419 of 1053 (916437)
03-03-2024 12:47 PM
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03-03-2024 12:00 PM


Re: Facts and Beliefs
If your blood sugar is that high it is a bigger problem than needing insulin. What are you doing that you shouldn't be doing? Eating a non-approved diet? Drinking alcohol? Rationing insulin?
You need to get this under control. Spikes like that will kill you.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 420 of 1053 (916438)
03-03-2024 12:52 PM
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03-03-2024 12:03 PM


Diabetes
Just spoke to my wife, the doctor. That is probably fairly normal for a diabetic. Stay healthy
You infuriate the hell out of me, but wish you all the best.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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