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Author Topic:   The Limits of Religious Belief
Percy
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Message 76 of 80 (914554)
01-22-2024 7:58 AM
Reply to: Message 73 by WookieeB
01-21-2024 10:05 PM


WookieeB in Message 73 writes:
Perhaps it is, as I stated before, (1) most people don’t like murdering human beings, and (2) most people think unborn babies are human beings.
Most? That can't really be true, can it? Don't polls show that a majority favor a right to abortion? According to a Gallup poll from May of last year, 34% believe abortion should be legal "under any circumstances" and 51% "only under certain circumstances." Only 13% thought it should be illegal under all circumstances: Where Do Americans Stand on Abortion?
If I understood you correctly, you said that most people consider abortion to be murder, and that's inconsistent with the poll results.
The Navajo issue is nowhere near as impactful as the abortion debate, and it's extremely more limited in scope.
This isn't important, but you're right that it's far less impactful and wrong that it's limited in scope. In fact, the Navajo request affects all Americans, while only half of Americans could be denied an abortion.
I did find it rather amusing, considering your anti-religious position, that you characterized the separation of church and state as a "sacred principle".
I'm not anti-religious. I'm anti "refusal to honor separation of church and state".
I think we're talking past each other. You claim you're not disputing something I thought you were disputing, and you interpreted what I said as all or nothing when I used the word "correlated" three times.
Morals likely have evolutionary origins because they provided a survival benefit. But morals are plastic.
These statements somewhat get to the core of my problem with this whole discussion. They seem contradictory to me.
But I suspect we hold differences in what "morality" means. Can you please define what you mean by "morals" or "morality"? Not what constitutes them (ie, murder is wrong), but what is it itself.
Morals are what feels right and wrong.
--Percy

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ICANT
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Message 77 of 80 (914560)
01-22-2024 3:43 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by Percy
01-22-2024 7:04 AM


Hi Percy,
Percy writes:
not the founding of a Church,
I probably mean something different than you do when I use the word Church.
I have always thought of a church as the definition of the Greek word it comes from. Which means a called out assembly.
Congress would classify as a church. So I better stick with a religious group incorporated into the government with the religious group in charge of running the government as it was in Europe in the 1500's.
That is what the Pilgrams did not want to be back under.
But just think if it meant separation of religion and government there could be no one who belonged to any religion. That would mean there would not be any legislatures left in Washington. Come to think of it that would be a good idea.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 78 of 80 (914561)
01-22-2024 4:04 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by DrJones*
01-21-2024 7:40 PM


Hi Doc,
DrJones* writes:
great so we can teach that Christianity and all other religions are lies and that Odin the Allfather is the one true king of kings, lords of lords. That is The Truth.[
Are those recognized religions in Canada by the government?
Do they have specific doctrines they believe? That I could study.
If so no problem. But if it is just something you make up, then no.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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DrJones*
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Message 79 of 80 (914565)
01-22-2024 8:05 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by ICANT
01-22-2024 4:04 PM


Are those recognized religions in Canada by the government?
I don't need recognition by the government, Odin himself descended from Valhalla upon Sleipnir and spoke unto me The Truth.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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ICANT
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Message 80 of 80 (914586)
01-24-2024 10:12 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by DrJones*
01-22-2024 8:05 PM


Hi Doc,
DrJones* writes:
I don't need recognition by the government, Odin himself descended from Valhalla upon Sleipnir and spoke unto me The Truth.
I was just wondering as religions in the US get tax exemption. If you don't then you are getting cheated.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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