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Author Topic:   The Limits of Religious Belief
ICANT
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Message 66 of 80 (914533)
01-20-2024 5:00 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by PaulK
01-20-2024 2:27 PM


Hi Paul,
PaulK writes:
If you believe that deposition can occur by other means why do you insist that the burial of the material that became oil must be due to accretion?
But where did the material in those deposition come from?
PaulK writes:
I don’t believe that individual floods can, but I do accept the standard geological explanations for the existence of sedimentary rock - which does include flooding. Why don’t you?
But I do believe in sedimentary rocks and dirt, but that it took over billions of years if not trillions of years maybe even quadrillions of years to take place.
The earth started from one speck of dust and grew to the size it is today all by accretion. That is a supernatural event in and of itself.
PaulK writes:
Adding volume to the Earth is not the issue. The issue is the burial of the material that became oil. You insist that it must be due to accretion. Why?
According to your religion it might not matter to you. But to me it matters as I want to know how things happen, and maybe why.
If the earth is only 4 billion years old that means there was nothing about the earth that existed not even the core which I have been told is pretty hot.
As to your why? That is the only way you can add volume to the earth. All the other things you mention are rearranging what already exists.
Your beliefs are based on assumptions yet they are accepted as fact. So why should your religious beliefs be forced upon our young people by our government in our schools.
My beliefs are based on the assumption that God exists which I also believe is a fact as the evidence I can examine says He does exist. Yet my views are forced out of the schools by your beliefs, by our government.
But you say no I don't have a religion. Sure you do because you believe supernatural events have occurred. You believe the universe began to exist with no source for any energy or materials yet it was contained in a pin point.
Today it is said to have trillions of galaxies as big as our milky way and larger.
You believe all that come from something the size of a pin point or a pea. That would be a supernatural event.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 70 of 80 (914548)
01-21-2024 3:51 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by Percy
01-21-2024 6:46 AM


Hi Percy,
Percy writes:
Religious beliefs cannot be part of public education because of separation of church and state,
Where do you find in the Constitution the phrase separation of church and state?
It don't exist.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
It says the congress can not establish a Church of any kind. That is why the Pilgrams left Europe and came to America. To get away from a church run government with the powers of the government. But I think we are just about under such a situation now and will be in the future.
The government is not to prohibit the free exercise of religion, abridge the freedom of speech, or the right of the people to peaceably assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
It does not say anything about separation of church and state.
10 Commandments and the Supreme Court Building.
1. A seated Moses is shown holding the two tablets of the law as the central figure of the east pediment on the exterior of the Supreme Court building.
2. An image of the two tables of the Ten Commandments is engraved on the frame of the bronze gates separating the courtroom from the aisle.
3. A marble frieze in the Chamber itself shows Moses holding a copy of the tablets on which the Ten Commandments are written.
10 Commandments moved from the schools, and a courts property but still on many buildings in Washington DC. Seems a little hypocritical to me.
Percy writes:
It's difficult to see how the Supreme Court could approve something like this that eroded that separation because then it would seem impossible to exclude excerpts from other religion's holy books such as the Quran or the Bhagavad Gita and so forth, but I fear the current Supreme Court might find a way to allow one and disallow the others, further eroding the separation.
I wouldn't have a problem with all religions being taught in a classroom as long as the truth of each religion was taught. Even your religion.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 77 of 80 (914560)
01-22-2024 3:43 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by Percy
01-22-2024 7:04 AM


Hi Percy,
Percy writes:
not the founding of a Church,
I probably mean something different than you do when I use the word Church.
I have always thought of a church as the definition of the Greek word it comes from. Which means a called out assembly.
Congress would classify as a church. So I better stick with a religious group incorporated into the government with the religious group in charge of running the government as it was in Europe in the 1500's.
That is what the Pilgrams did not want to be back under.
But just think if it meant separation of religion and government there could be no one who belonged to any religion. That would mean there would not be any legislatures left in Washington. Come to think of it that would be a good idea.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Posts: 6769
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Message 78 of 80 (914561)
01-22-2024 4:04 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by DrJones*
01-21-2024 7:40 PM


Hi Doc,
DrJones* writes:
great so we can teach that Christianity and all other religions are lies and that Odin the Allfather is the one true king of kings, lords of lords. That is The Truth.[
Are those recognized religions in Canada by the government?
Do they have specific doctrines they believe? That I could study.
If so no problem. But if it is just something you make up, then no.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 80 of 80 (914586)
01-24-2024 10:12 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by DrJones*
01-22-2024 8:05 PM


Hi Doc,
DrJones* writes:
I don't need recognition by the government, Odin himself descended from Valhalla upon Sleipnir and spoke unto me The Truth.
I was just wondering as religions in the US get tax exemption. If you don't then you are getting cheated.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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