The Limits of Religious Belief

Hi Percy, Since 75% of the population in America claim to be religious why shouldn't their views count? Do you think that 25 % of the population should control our thoughts?
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To me abortion is not a religious issue but rather a moral issue.To abort unborn unwanted children to me is no worse than
aborting an unruly child or a deformed child at 6 years old. Or to decide that when a person is not able to support the government and become a drag on society they should be exterminated as well.We have people that would like to have children but cannot. We have hospitals to help the deformed, we have nursing homes and assisted living places for people to live.I don't think you would be in favor of exterminating unruly children, deformed children nor old folks.You pitch a fit when there is a mass shooting in a school and other places.But wouldn't that just be the survival of the fittest?Those things will happen in the future.The abortion issue could be solved if people who don't want to have children would abstain from having sex and if they can't do that do not have unprotected sex.But you know my view on abortion as I have mentioned it before. Every child that is aborted goes to be with God. Most if born would never have an opportunity to be saved. I say abort away and be prepared to stand before God with a murder charge.I think the idea to put ashes of dead people on the moon is stupid in the first place. Only a rich person could cover the cost of the funeral. As far as the indians they have burial grounds on earth that are sacred to them. If ashes sent to the moon would desecrate it is not their burial grounds desecrating the earth?Just a few of my rambling thought which don't mean a thing.Have a blessed day Percy.God Bless,

Hi Tangle, I don't think so. I have been preaching for 63 years I have never tried to coerce someone to accept my God.The man formed from the dust of the ground in Genesis 2:7 failed to obey one rule that he was given and so by that disobedience sin entered into the universe. Thus everyone who has followed on the earth is condemned to a devils Lake of Fire.So when God created mankind in Genesis 1:27 He gave them a body mind and spirit. The body is carnal the mind is where the choices are made. The body wants to do all kinds of things the spirit (which most call a consciences) tells man what is right and wrong. Then the decision is made in the mind. mankind has the ability to choose which he will follow the body or the spirit. Whatever decision man makes is OK with God. He just would rather everybody choose to follow the spirit. But He allows mankind to make any choice they choose to make. He could have created mankind like the angels, and they would not be able to choose what they want.But that was not what God wanted. He wanted something He could love and they could choose to love Him back, so He created mankind and gave them the ability to make that choice. He loved us enough to come to earth go to the cross and shed His blood so we could receive a full free pardon.You and many others here have made the choice that God does not exist, He is a Myth that is OK with me. I just want to make sure when I type something about how you and others can go to heaven I get that right. That is why I quote Jesus when He says "ye must be born again". That is accomplished by believing God is and is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him. When a person does that and trusts Him to give them eternal life they have it at that moment and anytime that a moment becomes now.Some of the other things I talk about are speculative just like the BBT and and evolution are. No one in science knows where the material that the universe was created out of began to exist. According to science energy and matter cannot be created. They can be manifest in either form. But where did it come from? Science says we don't know so it has to be assumed it just did and we will go from there. That is not science. What is the origin of life on earth. We don't know but we assume some chemicals or something got together and life was formed. We can not prove that is the way it happened so we will assume that is what happened and we will go from there. That isn't science either.If I remember anything from my science class it is that anything that cannot be reproduced in a Labatory is not a fact. Then maybe I was taught wrong.Tangle just remember that people do whatever they want to do. If they want to kill somebody they will. If they want to get drunk and get in a car and drive it a 100 mph they will. Everything we do outwardly is because of the choices we make. An remember people do what they want to do always. I can't change them and neither can you.

Hi Percy, I have never been one to try to coerce anyone to do anything they did not want to do.Neither have I ever been in favor of anyone else trying to coerce anyone to do or not to do.I can't make people do something they don't want to do and neither can anyone else.So yes to your question.I understand if you can convince someone to believe your point they are unconvinced still. They just go along to get along. I don't try to interfere with science. In fact I think it is one of the greatest things that has ever happened to our country. I have worn glasses since I was nine years old. Science provided those. I have a stent in my right coronary artery about 2 inches from my heart. I watched the entire process of looking for the problem and how they pulled an inter piece out and put the stent on that piece and run it back through the tube that was in the artery and place it in the spot that was closing up then expand it to open the artery., That was amazing how they could do that. Science provided that knowledge and equipment, as well as the tv I watched the procedure on. I had knee replacement surgery in 2000 they wouldn't let me watch because I might flinch and mess things up but they made a video of the surgery for me. Now that is really amazing how they can drill a bone and place a shaft in the bone with a patella plate with receptors for the parts on top and this joint work so I could walk, work, swim, and bowl but no golf. It lasted for 16 years before it had to be replaced and I am still walking on the replacement.I believe in science and am grateful for what it has done for me. I can see and I can walk and my stent has been working since 2014. So I got no problem with science. Percy as I have said I got no problem with science.I got no problem with science trying to figure out how God created the universe and earth.I do have a problem with people trying to tell me that the theories are facts when they are built on assumptions.The BBT is based on assumptions. No one knows where the energy and matter required to create the universe came from. It is assumed that all the energy and matter required to create the universe existed at T=^-43 in a point or something the size of a pea depending on who you are listening too. On the surface to me that is preposterous that everything in this universe could be in such a small place. To me that would require an outside source of energy to continually create the matter that formed the billions of stars, all the plants in just our galaxy. There are 36 named galaxies and there are billions of galaxies in the deepest fields of the universe.Now when you have to get billions of galaxies into that little pea it makes it
impossible to believe.
GalaxiesThat is your scientific opinion not mine.
I disagree that the theories put forth are the best answers for existence. But again that is just my opinionBut both are just theories neither has been proven as neither can be reproduced in the lab. Not because it has not been tried multi-billions of dollars have been spent trying to prove them as a fact. But both are taught in our schools and colleges as fact and that is dishonest.You argue as if they are fact, and most of the posters here do also.I have one problem with the BBT besides the one above that nobody has ever addressed. All the trillions of barrels of oil that exists and they continually find more where did it come from. It is under 22,000 psi at 5 miles deep. It is made out of decayed matter, plant and animal how does the BBT propose that oil got there. Just a question for a discussion later.Why isn't my assumption that God created the universe as valid as your assumption that the energy and matter just existed at t=^-43.God Bless, My Web Site

Hi Parasomnium, So it is disgusting it's not your universe you don't get to make the rules. I am just glad he made it so easy for me to spend eternity with Him.
He gave you the choice to believe in Him or not. If you don't believe and trust Him you pay the consequences.If you believe and trust Him you reap the rewards including spending eternity in heaven.Sounds like a win win deal to me.But you do whatever you want to do.God Bless,

Hi Percy, No in my state. Why would I want to rob God. He gets 3.31 spirits a second from abortion. There is not that many people being saved a second.SSC Is Sun City Center, Florida.But no I would not support them.I don't have any say about what other states do or don't do.I live in Florida and I do have a say in what goes on in my state.I believe in our Constitution and that each state has the right to control what is done in their state.I don't like what our Federal government has morphed into. It is a long way from what it was intended to be. So I don't like politicians in Washington telling the states what they can do or not do. But that is just my opinion. I don't have to like or dislike what South Carolina is doing or not doing.I can't coerce them any more than I can coerce you. But I don't have to like what either of you do.I have a couple of rules I go by:
1. If it ain't broke don't fix it.
2. If you can change something just change it.
3. If you can't change it don't worry about it.When I obey those 3 rules I don't have anything to worry about. That makes life wonderful. If I remember correctly the Judges are appointed by the President appoints them when a vacancy exists. I don't remember a presidential Canidate stating what they would do nor a congressman.But since the 5th Circuit and the Supreme Court are the law I have to abide by their decisions whether I like it or not. Do I support the Catholic Church and what they are doing no.Catholics have about 61.9 million members.Protestants have 157 million members.Thats 218.9 million people. 154.6 million people voted in 2020. At least 100 million of them were Protestants and Catholic. so if they were to get together they could do anything they wanted to do.God Bless,

Hi Tangle, Its not a hobby its a lifestyle. Why did you reply to my message? Then don't reply to any of my posts then. You mean to say that you don't have to have hard evidence to have a scientific fact? What did you study in science class? Then why do we have so many mass chootings?
Why do we have so many other murders?
Why do we have so many rapes.
Why do we have so many people getting drunk and killing people with cars.
Why do we have so much stealing going on?Guns don't kill people. People use guns to kill people.
Cars don't kill pepple. People use cars to kill people.
People don't rape themselves. People rape people.
I have never seen a piece of merchandise jump into somebody's pocket.So don't tell me people don't do what they want to do.God Bless and Good Bye.

Hi Percy,I was reading your post and got to thinking about States and States rights.If 60% of the voters of a State do not want abortion to be preformed in their State why should 40% of that State demand that the 60% have to bend to their wishes and wants?Is that not the same thing in reverse? The 40% of the State is trying to impose its will on the 60% and it makes no difference in their religious views.Further more why should the Federal Government try to try to make the majority bow to the minority.There are a 1000 people moving to the State of Florida every day. Everybody knows what Florida laws are and if they don't like them they could go to whatever State suites them.You know my view I don't mind God getting 3.31 infants into heaven every second. Due to the families they would be raised in probably 90% of them if born and raised to adult hood would never make it to heaven. My views on this has caused me a lot of grief over the past 50 years, a lot of religious people don't like it.You also know that I believe that the taking of a fetus's life is murder.I don't know why anyone that believes abortion is OK would be against capital punishment.So I got 2 questions for you.1. Why should the minority be able to impose their beliefs on the Majority?2. Can't the minority just move to a State where they are the majority?PS in the time it took me to put this message together God received 4,567.8 children into heaven. That is more than I could reach in a lifetime.God Bless,

Hi Doc,Long time no hear you.But that was not you problem but mine as I was real busy the last ten years. It is not a geological phenomenon.It is a creation problem as the earth had to be smaller when those trees and vegetation was growing on earth. Then by some method of accretion. It was covered and then more vegetation, trees, animals, and water creatures died and was covered and this had to repeat itself until the earth was 10 miles larger in diameter. In fact I think I read where oil was discovered 7 miles deep in Russia.It takes 98 tons which equals 196,000 lbs. of biomass to produce 1 barrel of oil.
Since 1870 we have extracted 135 billion barrels of oil from the earth. That requires 13,230,000,000,000 tons of decayed material to produce. There is 1.7297 trillion barrels of oil left in the earth. That required 169,510,600,000,000
trillion tons of material to produce. Thats a total of 182,740,600,000,000 trillion tons of material.If I divide the total bio mass that covers the earth today into the bio mass requires to produce the oil I will get the times the earth had to be covered.
I get 332.2556363636364 times the earth had to be covered. If I multiply the times covered by the years to produce the bio mass I get 166,127.8181818182 years. That ought to shake the YEC's up a bit. Thats a long time.God Bless,

Hi Percy, Sure it is there, Paul visited the third heaven.Percy I believe in God just like you believe that something existed at T=0^-43 that expanded into the universe we have today. You don't know where it come from or why it chose that moment 13.8 billion years ago to begin to expand.
There is nothing known about the first 300,000 years. There is a lot of speculation but that is all that it is.so, whether you accept it or not you believe by faith that something existed
just like I believe in God by faith.God Bless,

Hi dwise1,Sorry about that I correct the formatting.And what I was talking about was where all the oil came from that I had mentioned in the message he replied to.God Bless,

[qs=Percy, Assumptions are not evidence.If it is then my Assumption that God exists are just as valid as those it takes to get to 300,000 years from the time that something began to expand.I have enough experiences that God has been in my life that is evidence enough for me. If I told you some of those many experiences, you would not believe them so I won't waste my time. But they have been named. It would prove that there are millions of young people that have been indoctrinated in your unreligious society in the last 63 years because they believed they were being taught the truth, because they were not told that everything they were being taught was based on assumptions. It was taught as a fact. What is the difference between pushing religious views and you pushing your unreligious views on the public?

Hi Doc, Well since the earth is only 4 billion years old and the production of Bio Mass to produce 3.5 trillion barrels of oil would take a pretty big spell. Then you have to cover it up with up to 5 miles deep of soil and rock which would take a super big spell.God Bless,

Hi Paul, There you go making assumptions about what I believe. If you want to know what I believe just ask me.I believe floods can make changes to the landscape. But not to the extent YEC's do. Maybe you think they could. I do not make any assumption to that affect.
So I will ask, do you think floods can make the changes YEC's put forth.I also believe volcanos can change the landscape in their vicinity.I also believe that earthquakes can change the landscape where they happen.But not one of them can add volume to the earths surface. Volume has to be added from an outside source unless it can be manufactured.The entire earth was built by accretion. It was formed from material that was flying around in space.Now if I am wrong please correct me.God Bless,

Hi Jackass, How would a Geologist know how the bio mass got covered with a pile of rock and dirt that was 5 miles thick or any other depth to produce the 1500 to 2200 psi it is under?Keep a civil tone in your replies to me and I will do the same for you.God Bless DrJones,

Hi Percy But I am trying to discuss your personal religious beliefs and them being forced upon all our young people in America. You did not correct me by showing I am wrong. If you would like to start a discussion to correct me in please start one and I will join you.God Bless,