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Message 6 of 33 (913993)
12-16-2023 7:59 PM


Quality of EV Information
Just a general note to be aware of:
A great deal of what is published about EVs is wrong, very wrong. One might wonder who would want to publish bullshit (i.e., who might profit). Oil companies, car mags that take advertising from companies still very, very dependent on ICE sales, those motivated by right wing politics, etc?? I wonder

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Message 8 of 33 (913998)
12-17-2023 11:12 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by Percy
12-17-2023 10:01 AM


Charging
You found one that is true!
I have a Model Y and last September in Calgary I (for the first time ) did have to wait to charge. Then they were V 2 chargers and so slower from sharing with others. Then a guy who just got his M3 that day was having trouble charging asked about it. When a charger came open I suggested he try a different one which worked. So all the problems arose at once site that once.
Two weeks later they opened a 10 or something location of V3 chargers in Calgary so problem solved.
An underlying issue was I had told the car to navigate to Vancouver from Drumheller and it picked that busy location because that was the shortest route. When the right answer was to go a few kms longer to a V3 location.

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Message 10 of 33 (914000)
12-17-2023 12:45 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by Percy
12-17-2023 11:57 AM


Safty Statistics
The commentator has a point about the stats. I am annoyed that the regulators, both in Canada, the US and elsewhere aren't getting on this.
They should be the ones gathering facts and running the statistics so we can have independent numbers that are useful for a real comparison.
The regulators will be asked to make decisions about allowing fully automated driving and will need good, independent numbers to make that. But they are falling behind the enormous changes going on around them.
I use FSD on highway trips and find it very useful and feel it is good to have more eyes than mine watching out for things.
However, part of the reason it feels safer is while it's driving with 360 degree vision it makes me nervous enough to pay more attention than I might when I'm driving myself.
It's only tried to kill me a few times so far.

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Message 12 of 33 (914002)
12-17-2023 3:31 PM
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12-17-2023 12:50 PM


"full" self driving
I think I agree. The HW3 cameras aren't high enough resolution to drive well (where you look a long way ahead to make decisions eg). Others disagree with me and know a lot more than I do so I'm waiting to see how it all unfolds.
However, on the highway it is very useful and the car can drive for hours without intervention. In the city I've had more than half an hour of uninterrupted complex traffic navigated successfully. But the usual is something stupid every 4 or 5 minutes.

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Message 26 of 33 (917321)
04-02-2024 9:14 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by Percy
04-02-2024 8:52 AM


Re: The Full Self Driving Experience
I've been using V11 for 4 years. Well, using is a strong term. It was too nerve wracking to use it other than on the highway (where it's always done a good job).
I used V12 for all my driving yesterday and it did a very good job. We might actually get to an autonomous future (and kill a lot fewer people). My major complaint with it was that it was too cautious. I wonder what that says about my driving compared to yours.

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Message 28 of 33 (917333)
04-03-2024 1:04 AM
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04-02-2024 3:40 PM


Level
There is a setting (under Autopilot) for how aggressive you want the car to be. I haven't noticed any difference between chill and medium though.
I've found it is too careful over speed bumps. It slows to nearly half of what I'd take them at. I haven't noticed about potholes yet.
For the first time it was raining tonight and it warned that it might be degraded and I'd say it was. It's lane centering was just a little bit sloppy.
Long term issues:
1. Hardware 3 can't see far enough ahead to be a "good"driver. Maybe a totally adequate driver but not a good driver.
2. The mapping and navigation side doesn't know enough about the real world to pick a good route. E.g., On my way home from one place it keeps wanting to make two difficult (it made them but not easily) unprotected left turns when it can take a route that is no longer and has one protected left turn only.

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Message 31 of 33 (917349)
04-03-2024 10:47 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by Rahvin
04-03-2024 10:20 AM


Highway vs City Streets
The highway has been very useful* with Tesla's FSD for the 4 years I've had it. That's actually at least a couple of orders of magnitude easier than city streets.
Before (V11) it would work on surface streets but not all that well.
Now it actually drives successfully and maybe will improve very fast. It's a guess but I'd now say that the other ADAS systems will never catch Tesla. Ford may well be the first to licence it.
* but sure not something you can relax and ignore -- far from perfect. I'll be interested in how V12 does on the highway but don't get out of the city much.

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