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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.7 |
Let it be noted that candle2 has yet again failed -- nay, refused -- to actually reply to AZPaul3's Message 3154, choosing instead to yet again try to change the subject to something completely unrelated to Message 3154 that he alleges to be replying to (IOW, he's lying to us yet again).
In Message 3154, AZPaul3 wrote:
AZPaul3 writes: candle2 writes: AZ, if you know these things, then why are so manyevolutionists on record stating there there is no evidence for evolution. Because you see a few religious nutjobs and think that's the reality. It isn't. You lie. Knowingly. Purposefully. Project Steve - Wikipedia Your creationist list of (pseudo)scientists who deny evolution is nie non-existent compared to reality. Evidenced reality. Reality you must deny with stupidity to proselytize your favorite flavors of evil gods. You are a lying priest. Your lists are known bogus. Here again you spew falsehood, delusion and evil. But, this is to be expected. You are a religious nutjob. Instead of actually responding to AZPaul3, candle2 changes the subject to a creationist debate video which has absolutely nothing to do with Message 3154. And to add insult to injury, candle2 implores us to watch the video without providing any LINK to that video. Why is he trying to hide that video, just as he routinely hides every "source" or "evidence" he claims to present? For that matter, candle2 never ever provides any links at all, while claiming that he does provide links. That is a flat-out, bald-faced LIE. Why does candle2 have nothing to offer but lies? We know the answer to that even though candle2 has no clue.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Dr. James Tour is a known "lies for Jesus" Discovery Institute pseudo-intellect turned religious hack. You are a lying priest. I do not believe you.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Hi Paul,
AZPaul3 writes: But, this is to be expected. You are a religious nutjob. He is a baby who is still in his infancy when it comes to the knowledge in the Word of God. I am the one considered a religious nut job according to just about every one I know including you. All the YEC'S know I am a nutjob, because I don't believe their story. You mentioned evidenced reality. Can you show me where I can find the scientific evidence for the origin of life?You have to have life existing before it can evolve. If no one can then, how can anyone figure out the so-called chain of evolution. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Hi Candle2
candle2 writes: science and the origin of Life There is no scientific evidence as to the origin of life, so, how could they debate the subject. But life exists unless, we are a brain in a jar in some alien's Labatory. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Hi wise1
dwise1 writes: For that matter, candle2 never ever provides any links at all, while claiming that he does provide links. That is a flat-out, bald-faced LIE. Maybe he does not know how to link to a video. Just a thought. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Can you show me where I can find the scientific evidence for the origin of life? No. Our science is not that advanced, yet. Abiogenesis did not leave any specific evidence trail as evolution presently does. How the first replicators formed is still unknown. If we find a formula to create self-replicators we will never be sure that recipe was the actual one. The evidence for abiogenesis is forever lost to us. The best we can do is find a formula that works to show that such could be done without the need for some fanciful meddlesome ghosts.
You have to have life existing before it can evolve. That's one of the easy things we discovered early on in evolution. That is why we separate the studies of abiogenesis from evolution. We know how evolution works on populations over time, including large populations over deep time, to create the diversity of life we find around us. The nested hierarchy of species, genus, family and on, are clearly evident in the record. Such clear data from abiogenesis does not exist for us to study as evolution provides.
If no one can then, how can anyone figure out the so-called chain of evolution. Because we're not stupid. The evidence for evolution clearly shows that chain exists regardless of where, when, how life first came to be. The evidence of evolution has survived deep time. The evidence of abiogenesis has not. Like in cosmology, there is a question of the beginning. But that lack of knowledge does not negate the strong evidence the entire fossil record and genetic data provides that creates the modern synthesis in evolution theory.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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He is a baby who is still in his infancy when it comes to the knowledge in the Word of God. No. He's a nutjob. He is a different level of nutjobbery from your level of nutjobbery. We can speak and converse. His only voice is proselytizing.
I am the one considered a religious nut job according to just about every one I know including you. Yes, you are and you really need to stop. You spread religious poison. You believe in majik and imaginary cosmic powers. More, you believe your church has a monopoly on what all humanity needs to do to avoid the results of your creed, your self-generated threat of eternal damnation. The problem is all your fellow nutjobs, priests of different creeds, demand that same monopoly over humanities actions. Your religions end up making millennia of war on humanity. That is evil, Reverend. Stop it.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.7
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Maybe he does not know how to link to a video. Just a thought. We have explained it to him. Repeatedly. I even explained to him in detail how to copy-and-paste a URL. He also refuses to quote from any message that he "replies" to. As a result, nobody can know for sure what he's talking about. That must be no accident, because YECs (and non-YEC variants) depend on confusion to support their deception. The last thing that they would ever want would be to clarify any of their claims. He refuses to read replies and he refuses to learn. Anything. Willful ignorance is one of his articles of faith.
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7
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Hi Paul,
AZPaul3 writes: You spread religious poison. Poison Noun a: a substance that through its chemical action usually kills, injures, or impairs an organism. Verb a: to injure or kill with poison. I tell people that if they don't trust Christ to give them eternal life they will spend eternity in hell with the devil and his angels. I teach them to live a good life and help their fellowman. If I am wrong and there is no God or heaven how am I doing any harm to those who hear me. You tell them there is no God and no heaven. But if you are wrong and they listen to you and die and go to hell you are the one who has done them great harm.
AZPaul3 writes: That is evil, Reverend. You telling them there is no God is evil.
AZPaul3 writes:
You believe in majik and imaginary cosmic powers. More, you believe your church has a monopoly on what all humanity needs to do to avoid the results of your creed, your self-generated threat of eternal damnation. The problem is all your fellow nutjobs, priests of different creeds, demand that same monopoly over humanities actions. Your religions end up making millennia of war on humanity.I don't believe in magic but you do. You tell them there is no God.And the universe began to exist when nothing existed out of an unknown source of energy that produced the universe. And life just appeared in a chemical soup of come unknoqwn chemicals that came from an unknown source. It takes as much or more faith to believe that story than my story. I did not create Hell.I did not start any war. I don't care what you think or do as long and you don't try to make me conform to your lifestyle. That don't stop me from loving you enough to try to share my Friend with you. Since you are your own God just do anything you choose to do and I will be satisfied with it. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
ICANT, I, contrary to what Dwise stated, do leave links.
The trouble is that my phone refuses to copy and paste. Even when it copies it refuses to paste. My wife has a similar phone, and it works well. Until I get a new phone I copy the links by hand. The debate between Dr. Tour and Dr. Cronin is aboutprebiotic chemistry. Dr. Tour challenged 10 chemist's to answer 5 questionsconcerning the "model for life." In order to show that life came from complex chemicals,Dr. Tour asks for the formulas to create polypeptides; Polynucleotides; polysaccharides; specified information; and, assembly of a living cell. If they can show the answer to just one of these five, Dr.Tour stated that he would take down all his postings. No one has been able to answer even one. This looksreally bad for evolutionists, and great for creationists. Here is a 9 minute link to what Dr. Tour is asking. "Origin of Life Results." I will reply to your other post later in afternoon, or earlytomorrow morning.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.7 |
ICANT, I, contrary to what Dwise stated, do leave links. WHERE? SHOW US! LINK US TO EVEN JUST ONE MESSAGE WHERE YOU HAD LEFT A LINK, ANY LINK AT ALL! For the third time, I am now giving you a LINK to what a link is. This time, instead of ignoring that link in your desperate attempts to maintain your willful ignorance, FOLLOW THAT LINK! For once in your life, learn something! If we cannot click on a "link" in order for it to take us to the "linked" document, then it is not a link! Until I get a new phone I copy the links by hand. Which you have never done. If you disagree, THEN LINK US TO ANY ONE MESSAGE WHERE YOU HAVE DONE SO as you claim. Until you do that, then all the evidence points to the sad fact that you are lying to us yet again! STOP YOUR DAMNED LYING! To instruct you yet again how to link to a message on this forum, read (ie, DO NOT IGNORE YET AGAIN) the instructions in the following quote block:
DWise1: It is really that simple. And you do not need to use copy-and-paste. Also, it shows you what a link looks like. If your "links" do not look like that, then they are not links.
Here is a 9 minute link to what Dr. Tour is asking. "Origin of Life Results." That is not a link. Just writing part of a title or description IS NOT PROVIDING A LINK! Jessica H. Christ! What is wrong with you? Also, links do not have a time element, so yet again what the hell are you talking about?
The trouble is that my phone refuses to copy and paste. You're using a phone? What kind of idiot would handicap himself so severely by doing that?
Use your computer! Jessica H. Christ! What is wrong with you? With my pudgy man's fingers it's sheer torture to write more than a single paragraph, so how could you stand the torture of typing your hundreds of lines of nonsense on a phone? Or does that mean that, according to your own worldview (Message 3021, that you have a woman's fingers meaning that you are transgender having been born a woman but then had a sex change operation to become a man? (ICANT, follow that message link to see that he made those exact claims, though not of himself).
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Hi Candle2
candle2 writes: Here is a 9 minute link to what Dr. Tour is asking. The link does not work.You did not even type the link in your message. If you think you did scroll down to the box at the bottom of your message that says Peek click on it and your message will open to what you typed. candle2 writes: In order to show that life came from complex chemicals,Dr. Tour asks for the formulas to create polypeptides; Polynucleotides; polysaccharides; specified information; and, assembly of a living cell. There has never been a formula that produced life and never will be. The scientific community has accepted the TOE as fact and moved on without one shred of evidence as to the origin of life. Alexander Graham Cairns-Smith at the University of Glasgow in Scotland came up with the idea life could have started in clay. source Since God formed man from the dust of the ground and then breathed the breath of life into that form and it became a living being he was pretty close to how life began.
moses writes: Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Later all animals were formed from the ground.
moses writes: And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof. So all life came from the ground even the trees and vegetation, Genesis 2:8, 9. God Bless, PS:If you will hit the Peek button to the right you can see how I made the source link."John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 7.6
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I tell people that if they don't trust Christ to give them eternal life they will spend eternity in hell with the devil and his angels. I teach them to live a good life and help their fellowman.
you missed the obvious option, you're both wrong and are both doing people harm. By teaching people to follow the christian god you're turning them away from the one true King of Kings, Lord of Lords Odin the Allfather. And by teaching people that there is no god, Paul is doing the same. If I am wrong and there is no God or heaven how am I doing any harm to those who hear me. You tell them there is no God and no heaven. But if you are wrong and they listen to you and die and go to hell you are the one who has done them great harm. It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7
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Hi doc,
DrJones* writes: Odin Sorry I forgot about your god. Where can I find more about Odin than, Odin: The Supreme Norse God of Wisdom, War, and Magic Odin is the king of the Aesir, the principal race of Norse gods.Source: Just a moment... "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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kjsimons Member Posts: 822 From: Orlando,FL Joined: Member Rating: 5.7
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Don't be an ass, there is no more reliable information about Odin then the Jewish/Christian/Muslim god. In fact, there is no evidence that any gods exist no matter how much you wish them to. You are deluding yourself as all religious followers do and have always done.
Edited by kjsimons, .
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