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Percy

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Message 48 of 51 (913690)
11-29-2023 1:02 PM

Reply to: Message 47 by Phat
11-29-2023 7:56 AM

Re: Peanut Gallery Rabbit Trail

Phat writes:

Percy writes:

We've been saying the same things for years.

Ladies and Gentlemen, allow me to introduce the leader of the infamous EvC Peanut Gallery!

The peanut gallery is rarely unanimous. Theodoric thinks Harris to be a grifter. Tangle, on the other hand sees Harris much as Percy does...saying it in better ways than "we" can.

When it comes to criticism you might want to listen to people who are engaging with the ideas rather than with namecalling and cherry picking.

Why not just label Harris a Theophobe? Many Liberals do.

Huh?

They think that their intellectual ideals are superior to traditional religious ideals.

They're the same ideals for the most part. Liberal ideals of how to treat people have much more in common with many religions than conservative ideals.

This secular humanist ideology is, in my opinion, a greater threat to global stability than religion. If it comes to fruition, the resulting leaders will only muck up the world by believing that human consensus cannot fail us.

This sounds like a justification for authoritarian intervention in democracies.

And Equality will triumph over Freedom.

Where did you get the idea that equality and freedom are somehow at odds with one another? They're not. They're even included together in the French motto: liberty, equality, fraternity.

Have you been listening to conservative podcasts again?

--Percy

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Message 49 of 51 (913732)
12-02-2023 12:12 PM

Reply to: Message 48 by Percy
11-29-2023 1:02 PM

Re: Peanut Gallery Rabbit Trail

Phat:
This secular humanist ideology is, in my opinion, a greater threat to global stability than religion. If it comes to fruition, the resulting leaders will only muck up the world by believing that human consensus cannot fail us.

Percy:
This sounds like a justification for authoritarian intervention in democracies.

Democracies have a problem with authoritarianism. They think themselves morality police.

This goes for both Israel and the United States. We need to clean up our own backyard first.

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Message 50 of 51 (913735)
12-02-2023 12:41 PM

Reply to: Message 49 by Phat
12-02-2023 12:12 PM

Re: Peanut Gallery Rabbit Trail

Phat:
Democracies have a problem with authoritarianism

Too fucking right we do, wtf are you thinking?

Name a single authoritarian state that's better than our worst democracy.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Percy

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Message 51 of 51 (913754)
12-03-2023 10:36 AM

Reply to: Message 49 by Phat
12-02-2023 12:12 PM

Re: Peanut Gallery Rabbit Trail

Phat writes:

Democracies have a problem with authoritarianism. They think themselves morality police.

That makes no sense at all. Where are you getting this garbage?

Think about what you just said, that democracies resist authoritarianism but are authoritarian in enforcing morality. How does that make any sense? From which democracies are you drawing your evidence? Certainly not European countries like The Netherlands? And our own democracy includes many examples of state sponsored prostitution, gambling and drugs. This is just a bad friend, not the morality police.

There is a political element in the US that believes we need more authoritarianism when it comes to morality. They believe that Christian morality should be integrated into government. They're busy passing anti-abortion laws right now. If you want to find your morality police get a mirror, because it's the religious among us.

This goes for both Israel and the United States. We need to clean up our own backyard first.

You're talking morally, I assume. You think that to this point in time our two democracies have been inadequate morality police because they resist their more authoritarian tendencies. You want more authoritarianism? In that case, have I ever got a presidential candidate for you!

--Percy

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