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nwr
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Message 17 of 51 (913615)
11-22-2023 6:55 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by Percy
11-22-2023 11:09 AM


Re: Sam Harris: Letters to a Christian Nation
Percy in Message 13 writes:
, there's already a lot there for you to think about.
When Phat thinks about it, he will be guided by his own biases.
Harris presents a pretty good argument, as those of us not committed to a religion can see. But that's not how Phat will see it.

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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Message 21 of 51 (913619)
11-23-2023 9:34 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by Percy
11-23-2023 8:54 AM


Re: Sam Harris: Letters to a Christian Nation
Percy in Message 20 writes:
We're just trying to get him to understand why he holds the beliefs that he does.
And Phat is not the least bit interested in having such an understanding.

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Message 23 of 51 (913623)
11-23-2023 11:41 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Phat
11-23-2023 11:06 PM


Re: Sam Harris: Letters to a Christian Nation
Phat in Message 22 writes:
Quite frankly, I find it hard to trust advice from a man such as Sam Harris who is not a believer.
Nobody expects you to trust Sam Harris, or his advice. You are instead being asked to try to understand his arguments. You don't have to trust him to decide whether his reasoning is sound.

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Message 26 of 51 (913629)
11-24-2023 9:21 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by Phat
11-24-2023 7:09 AM


Re: Sam Harris: Letters to a Christian Nation
Phat in Message 24 writes:
Does anyone here realize how much observing daily shoplifting affects me?
Yes, we realize that because of the way that you keep bringing the issue up./
It is really quite simple. Your employer can reduce the amount of shoplifting by hiring more staff to watch for it.
You employer won't do that, because the cost of the extra staff would be greater than the loss from shoplifting.
You say that you are a libertarian, so you believe that your employer should be free to make that decision.
Why are you whining to liberals instead of recognizing that the fault is with your own libertarianism?

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Message 30 of 51 (913638)
11-24-2023 5:40 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by Phat
11-24-2023 3:45 PM


Re: An UnChristian Rabbit Trail
Phat in Message 27 writes:
I can't believe that you liberals are not as outraged as I am at the entitlement mentality of drug-addicted thieves who even laugh in our faces as they steal before our very eyes.
Outrage doesn't achieve anything.
What about the entitlement mentality of billionaires who are paid far more than their work is worth?
I was taught never to steal.
Yet you are a libertarian, and libertarianism is a system of theft from society.
I can't understand why you people empathize with them and not with the workers who can't stop the stealing.
I don't empathize with shoplifters. But there isn't anything that I can do about it.
Don't you understand that people are behaving irrationally?
There are people behaving irrationally all around us. But maybe shoplifting isn't as irrational as you think, for people who might otherwise have no income at all.
I feel as if they are indirectly stealing from ME!
Your employer could reduce the shoplifting by hiring more people to watch for it. Maybe your employer is indirectly stealing from you by not acting to reduce the shoplifting.

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Message 31 of 51 (913639)
11-24-2023 5:50 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Phat
11-24-2023 3:59 PM


Re: An UnChristian Rabbit Trail
Phat in Message 28 writes:
Its not that the cost of the staff would be greater than the losses. It is the potential tangle of lawsuits from people who want to defund the police, get something from the 'rich and powerful" rather than work like poor people did in the 1930s, and essentially become equal without putting in the hard work.
This is a flimsy excuse that is avoid doing anything.
If there were more employees present in the store, there would be less opportunity for shoplifting. That would not lead to any lawsuits. And there would be more jobs available, and fewer poor unemployed people.

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Message 36 of 51 (913653)
11-26-2023 9:59 AM
Reply to: Message 34 by Phat
11-26-2023 7:25 AM


Re: An UnChristian Rabbit Trail
Phat in Message 34 writes:
Nowhere in the article did I see any hint of libertarianism being a form of theft from society.
They don't include that in their definition. But you can see it in how they behave.
Society doesn't come for free. We pay the cost in our taxes. And libertarians are always opposing taxation.
But this all sounds too Marxist for me!
There's nothing Marxist about rationalizing theft.
The sale of that stuff pays my wage.
That's also rationalizing. The owners of your store could pay themselves less, pay you more, and still be quite wealthy.

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