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Phat
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Message 136 of 153 (913321)
10-23-2023 1:23 PM
Reply to: Message 134 by Percy
10-23-2023 12:39 PM


Gods of War and the Prince of Peace.
*Note...I edited my previous post*
Percy writes:
Israel doesn't seem to understand that treating Palestinians inhumanely is extremely unwise longterm policy for them. Israel is itself responsible for breeding each new generation of terrorists, a process fed by the poverty and hopelessness of places like the West Bank and Gaza.

Arguments like the ones you're advancing are why people repeatedly question your humanity and the sincerity of your Christian charity. The Palestinians are people, human beings, and they deserve to be treated as such. The U.S. is a massive enabler of Israeli policies that victimize Palestinians. Israel has lost its soul. In opposing terrorism they have become no better than the terrorists they oppose, and we are their biggest supporter. We have as much shame to bear as Israel.
I agree with you that the US is as responsible as is Israel. I fear that we may see some backlash here in our own country...a country already divided ideologically. Progressives will argue for more empathy and perspective, as you are doing. Conservatives will call for an end to a neutered law enforcement that lets acts of shoplifting, robbery, and vandalism go largely unpunished.
As I have said before and am concluding, the world is settling into a pattern of war. Part of the reason is that societies can see their future and know that they will need control over vital waterways, resources, and opportunities for their people. In World War II, Germany referred to "it" as Lebensraum.
Wiki writes:
Lebensraum is a German concept of expansionism and Völkisch nationalism, the philosophy and policies of which were common to German politics from the 1890s to the 1940s.
The concept is morphing into more than just land and natural resources, although I suspect that Putin saw Ukraine as the breadbasket of Russia and not NATO, among other things he eyed. Countries seek alliances with other people who share a common interest and who are easy to get along with.(Hence NATO)
Israel is all alone in the world except for the United States. It may well turn out to be that BRICS is choosing its global allies while Putin indirectly forced the US to back theirs.
World War III is being set up...and humans are to blame. It is far bigger than simply religion. It is ideology.

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Message 137 of 153 (913323)
10-23-2023 1:24 PM
Reply to: Message 135 by Theodoric
10-23-2023 1:23 PM


Re: God vs Allah vs Human Rights
JC??? I hope you don't mean Jesus Christ. You really should meet the man.

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Message 138 of 153 (913325)
10-23-2023 2:31 PM
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10-23-2023 1:24 PM


Re: God vs Allah vs Human Rights
If he ever was a real person he is long dead. Hard to meet dead people. I thought he was a god not a man.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Phat
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Message 139 of 153 (913332)
10-23-2023 9:34 PM
Reply to: Message 138 by Theodoric
10-23-2023 2:31 PM


The god of War vs The Prince Of Peace
Theo writes:
If he ever was a real person he is long dead.
And what do you base this on? The data that fails to show any humans living forever (beyond death)?
I thought he was a god not a man.
The apologetic is that He was both. Essentially He was the character of God. There is no hard data on God yet, apart from personal experience, but we are working on it.
There is some data out there regarding hate and revenge, which explains the never ending cycle. The Jews always say Never Again. There are 9 million of them in Israel.
Perhaps God, if God exists is equally as concerned about the Palestinians. It certainly rings true in my heart. The problem, as many of you have said, is the fact that the Palestinian population, most of them very young, are scarred for life by war. The god of war is not the same as the Prince of Peace.

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Message 140 of 153 (913340)
10-24-2023 8:41 AM
Reply to: Message 139 by Phat
10-23-2023 9:34 PM


Re: The god of War vs The Prince Of Peace
Phat writes:
Perhaps God, if God exists is equally as concerned about the Palestinians. It certainly rings true in my heart.
I'm sure this drew broad guffaws throughout the site. Given your body of work here over the past several years, no one believes that anything remotely like this rings true anywhere throughout your body, especially your heart. Much of what you say here screams religious bigot, racist and profound rube. For you there's a right way to be and a right way to believe, and God's damnation upon you if you're not these things, and especially if you've started four wars against Israel.
--Percy

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Phat
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Message 141 of 153 (913343)
10-24-2023 9:06 AM
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10-24-2023 8:41 AM


Re: The god of War vs The Prince Of Peace
oh stop! Much of my rants were due to a combination of high blood sugars, fear of being broke, and too many You Tube videos, as you have pointed out numerous times.

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Theodoric
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Message 142 of 153 (913346)
10-24-2023 10:13 AM
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10-24-2023 9:06 AM


Re: The god of War vs The Prince Of Peace
So now you are reduced to lame excuses for your hate?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 143 of 153 (913347)
10-24-2023 10:15 AM
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10-24-2023 8:41 AM


Re: The god of War vs The Prince Of Peace
He seems to be in the manic stage of his regular cycle.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Percy
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Message 144 of 153 (913349)
10-24-2023 10:33 AM
Reply to: Message 141 by Phat
10-24-2023 9:06 AM


Re: The god of War vs The Prince Of Peace
Phat writes:
oh stop! Much of my rants were due to a combination of high blood sugars, fear of being broke, and too many You Tube videos, as you have pointed out numerous times.
I don't think anyone's noticed a return to sense and rationality. You don't get to decide when that's happened. That up to other people to decide based on what they observe, and what they observe is the same-old same-old.
You only stopped posting YouTube videos when your URL posting privileges were taken away. That you're still watching them is glaringly obvious in the things you say.
--Percy

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Phat
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Message 145 of 153 (913406)
10-28-2023 11:28 AM
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10-24-2023 10:15 AM


Re: The god of War vs The Prince Of Peace
If I am in fact manic-depressive, my hope is that this war in the Middle East and other escalating world events wont send me into a depressive phase. Even as a believer, I wont simply count on God to fix everything wrong with the world. I believe that He has left much of that up to us.

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Message 146 of 153 (913408)
10-28-2023 11:37 AM
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10-24-2023 10:13 AM


Re: The god of War vs The Prince Of Peace
So now you are reduced to lame excuses for your hate?
As I read what you say, I dont feel or perceive that I hate anyone human specifically but I am not naive enough to imagine a world where everyone is happy and content--at least not without all of us experiencing as much personal growth as we can.
Once we have collectively given rationality our best shot, then it is thought by some believers that God will step in. If we humans do solve our problems, there is no need for God to step in...in my opinion. But....It seems that stepping in is His plan.
I would imagine that we all would have to collectively fail to achieve the necessary goals before He does that, however. ( I'm sure that this sounds neurotic and nonsensical to a non believer. I can just hear Tangle now... )

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Theodoric
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Message 147 of 153 (913410)
10-28-2023 1:45 PM
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10-28-2023 11:37 AM


Re: The god of War vs The Prince Of Peace
Most of what you post is hate.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Phat
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Message 148 of 153 (913411)
10-28-2023 5:31 PM
Reply to: Message 147 by Theodoric
10-28-2023 1:45 PM


Re: The god of War vs The Prince Of Peace
Show me some recent examples. I can use the feedback.

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Message 149 of 153 (913412)
10-28-2023 5:45 PM
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10-28-2023 5:31 PM


Re: The god of War vs The Prince Of Peace
For what it's worth Phat, I don't think you hate. I think those accusations are rather cruel. You're just incredibly misguided and rather lost.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Theodoric
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Message 150 of 153 (913413)
10-28-2023 5:56 PM
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10-28-2023 5:45 PM


Re: The god of War vs The Prince Of Peace
That is where the majority of hate comes from.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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