Church History In Plain Language (5th edition)

I think that was the hope. There have been a number of UN military missions over the years, usually made up of troops from multiple countries. Article 42 of the UN charter lists this responsibility of member nations:

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Make available to the Security Council, on its call and in accordance with a special agreement or agreements, armed forces, assistance, and facilities, including rights of passage necessary for the purpose of maintaining international peace and security.

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Unfortunately there is a great gulf between the hope and the reality.--Percy

Yes, the UN gives a mechanism. There isn't a viable political structure behind it.These things need generations of experience and trust-building to evolve. Our generation could not strengthen the world's political integration by the degree many had hoped. Still, I wholeheartedly support the UN's baby steps. The core of a viable world structure is there. Maybe our kids will find the political will to use it.

There have been many christian warlords.
The Security Council only has a small number of nations.The rest is too stupid to respond to.

No international organization should be the police. The early Popes were in competition with secular rulers themselves for power over the state. The early church as described in the Bible never fought itself. From what I read, Jesus Himself never desired to be the king of this world nor did He advocate fighting Rome itself. If you want to see fireworks, imagine a day when the UN opposes the United States! Global consensus does not necessarily equal legitimacy.In Shelleys book, the early church (after Acts but before Constantine) became progressively more compromising. If everyone agrees, I will start discussing the book specifically.

Happens all the time. Again, research stuff before you expose your ignorance. So you think the US is the only path to legitimacy?

Please, please, please, would you look things up before you post. The U.S. is opposed in the General Assembly on a daily basis. Almost all countries of the world are represented in the General Assembly, and a great many of them oppose at least some U.S. policies. See Thirty Years of Voting in the U.N. General Assembly: The U.S. Is Nearly Always in the Minority.This information isn't buried or hidden. This was the top response to a Google search. There's an entire Internet out there. Avail yourself of it. Except for YouTube. You think many, many things that aren't true, but your ignorance can be easily remedied. Nobody is asking for researched reports, but you could at least stop sayings things so wrong that they're almost as bad as insisting the moon is made of green cheese.--Percy

OK, I'll take that as constructive criticism. What I mean though is that we all should fear the day that the UN has the muscle to stop the US from doing what it wants.

I think that Democracy is the only path to legitimacy.

Yet you support christofascists?

I do not support secular humanism. The main reason is the anti religious stance.I support a Christian Democracy, if such a thing is possible.How often do I have to remind you that I have never voted for Trump no do I intend to.I do resist the efforts of those who seek freedom from religion. They are not believers.I think that I prefer a open and public relationship with Jesus rather than a Falwell styled "Majority". Church and State should be seperate but Jesus should by no means be kept out of government or legal justice, if He in fact resides within some of us.any sort of PRIDE should be pride in our relationship with Jesus and should be freely and openly expressed.

The teachings of Jesus are pretty much the textbook for humanism. Most secular humanists are neutral on religion. No, it isn't possible. And this is why "Christian Democracy" is not possible.

Humanism isn't antireligious, not in the least.But what Theodoric asked was why you support christofascists. He could have avoided the provocative terminology, but he was only asking why you support christians who are antidemocratic. I think world history has pretty much proven that combining church and state is a very bad idea. Current examples of just how bad can be found in Iran and Afghanistan. Theodoric hasn't mentioned Trump once in the entire thread. Where did this come from? So you would resist the efforts of those who seek to keep you free from encroachments into your life from Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Mormonism, etc? These religions represent the people you approve of, namely believers. You have managed, again, to contradict yourself within a single sentence. You can't have separation of church and state while at the same time incorporating Jesus into government and justice. It's a free country. Express your religious beliefs publicly to your hearts content. But if you allow that creche at Christmastime in the town square then you must also allow all other religions to do the equivalent, like a menorah during Hanukkah, a sand art sculpture during Diwali, a Buddha statue during Wesak, and so forth.--Percy

Phat continues to show his ignorance and hate for those that don't believe as he believes.

While I admit to some ignorance in my life, I never try and actually hate anyone.I've been listening to this Church History on my audible over and over and I still have a lot of questions about it. Do you want to discuss it? I was assuming that Trump was the Elephant
Fascist in the room. I dont think that the Right Wing in general is fascist, though it could be debatable.Lets focus on Christianity as it bumps up against the Enlightenment, Critical Thinking, and Humanism.

We shouldn't make this thread about you, but you do have a tendency to direct hate and resentment, along with attribution of some pretty derogatory attributes, toward many people and groups. In large groups people are pretty much the same everywhere, be they Democrats, atheists, homeless people or migrants, but you seem to have a marked antipathy toward them, especially the unfortunate. In a thread about church history? The far right wing is anti-democratic. It's authoritarian tendencies lean toward facism.--Percy