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Message 4 of 1160 (911479)
07-09-2023 1:29 PM
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07-09-2023 12:25 PM


Two old men
If Trump or Biden were my only options I wouldn't vote at all.
RFK Jr has name appeal but I would have to study his positions as well as Christie, should I swing that way.

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Message 7 of 1160 (911483)
07-09-2023 2:32 PM
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07-09-2023 2:11 PM


2024 Elections
Phat writes:
RFK Jr has name appeal but I would have to study his positions
PK writes:
His position is best described as anti-vax nutcase.
I googled his platform.(RFK Jr.)
PRO: He dislikes Fauci, as do I. However, as you say, the anti-vax stuff is/was excessive.
CONCLUSION: Not a good enough candidate.
Omni writes:
Reps will be running with a Supreme albatross around their necks; inflation is cooling, and the economy is perking right along. The legislation Biden got through a divided Congress invests trillions into infrastructure and new industrial plant: this is starting to sink in, even across red states.
In my opinion, inflation has only paused...not "cooled" for very long. Dems seem to think that money is like a giant game of musical chairs and as long as you keep spending it wisely, it will always hold its value and be there no matter how much you raise the debt ceiling. I believe we will be in for a rude awakening and revaluation of US economic status.
Omni writes:
Barring intervening black swans, (IT) looks like Biden v. Trump again, aging sanity and competence v. aging psychopathy and incompetence... Biden will beat him like a drum.
What I fear more than Biden is the VP who will come in on his coattails. We need sane traditional values...not extremism. If Dems go with a moderate VP, I might vote for the old codger. (though now he is simply getting too old)
Omni writes:
Given all that, as well as the ongoing background demographic changes -- more young voters, more college-educated voters, perhaps even the increased mortality in red states (because duh) -- I see a good chance for a Democrat trifecta.
Hopefully, the college-educated ones are fair and balanced and are not extremists. Jerry Rubin turned from radical to Wall Street...perhaps the new generation will also contribute its fair share of market capitalists who understand money.

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Message 9 of 1160 (911486)
07-09-2023 3:16 PM
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07-09-2023 2:58 PM


Re: 2024 Elections
Omni writes:
The Democratic Party is a center left party: the furthest left of them, like AOC and Sanders, are social democrats, no more alarming than the average elected politician in Europe.
Have you seen the news from France lately?

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Message 14 of 1160 (911510)
07-10-2023 2:49 PM
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07-10-2023 10:48 AM


Re: 2024 Elections
TBH, my blood sugar has been going back up. Maybe I DO need a rest while I work on it again.

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Message 20 of 1160 (911549)
07-14-2023 7:08 PM
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07-14-2023 3:19 PM


Re: George Will: The GOP Nominee Will Not Be Trump or DeSantis
Personally, I am impressed with Vivek Ramaswamy. He is head and shoulders above all of the rest of the G.O.P. field.

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Message 24 of 1160 (911567)
07-15-2023 12:54 PM
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07-14-2023 7:21 PM


Re: George Will: The GOP Nominee Will Not Be Trump or DeSantis
I never researched his platform, to be honest. I heard him yesterday in an interview. The consensus in the comments was that he was the most impressive. I didnt know that he was thought well of by Trump, but after actually listening to him, I find that I agree with many of his points.
I am against affirmative action, as was he.
I wanted the truth behind Covid and it eventually came out.
The only uncertainty I now have is the "long Covid" mutation.
He mentioned that the populists felt as if the truth was suppressed and that led to their overreaction on Jan 6th. Democrats would respond that they only suppress rumors and that facts are what they go by, but my jury is still out on whether the Republican party is totally corrupted. I think that there is a gray area that neither side acknowledges.
He scored high in this most recent interview, but
BPR:
But some critics aren’t all-in for Ramaswamy just yet. Some worry about his previous stances, specifically regarding COVID, the jab and masking, and whether they can trust what he’s saying now that the man is vying for the White House.
“Vivek made all his money in bio labs,” one user claimed. “He was big on the shot. He was big on masking. And he’s surrounded himself with people who were some of the most authoritarian… I’m very nervous about this guy.”

.
I like the fact that he is young, and I think that this country has gone too far into this whole "woke" agenda described elsewhere. We need to move right in order to reach the middle.
AbE: He has a book that I want to read.
quote:
Nation of Victims: Identity Politics, the Death of Merit, and the Path Back to Excellence
by Vivek Ramaswamy
-------------------
The New York Times bestselling author of Woke Inc. and a 2024 presidential candidate makes the case that the essence of true American identity is to pursue excellence unapologetically and reject victimhood culture. Hardship is now equated with victimhood. Outward displays of vulnerability in defeat are celebrated over winning unabashedly. The pursuit of excellence and exceptionalism are at the heart of American identity, and the disappearance of these ideals in our country leaves a deep moral and cultural vacuum in its wake. But the solution isn't to simply complain about it. It's to revive a new cultural movement in America that puts excellence first again. Leaders have called Ramaswamy "the most compelling conservative voice in the country" and "one of the towering intellects in America," and this book reveals why: he spares neither left nor right in this scathing indictment of the victimhood culture at the heart of America's national decline. In this national bestseller, Ramaswamy explains that we're a nation of victims now. It's one of the few things we still have left in common--across black victims, white victims, liberal victims, and conservative victims. Victims of each other, and ultimately, of ourselves. This fearless, provocative book is for readers who dare to look in the mirror and question their most sacred assumptions about who we are and how we got here. Intricately tracing history from the fall of Rome to the rise of America, weaving Western philosophy with Eastern theology in ways that moved Jefferson and Adams centuries ago, this book describes the rise and the fall of the American experiment itself--and hopefully its reincarnation.

I agree by and large with that paragraph. I do not support identity politics.

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Message 28 of 1160 (911581)
07-17-2023 11:05 AM
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07-17-2023 10:56 AM


Out with Trump! In with Young Blood!
PK writes:
Anyone who votes for Trump votes for tyranny, which explains Marc’s support for Trump.
As I have said before, I'm behind Vivek Ramaswamy. The young man makes sense and nearly all of his views are ones I share. Trump and Biden both should be put out to pasture. If Ramaswamy made it to the general election, (a long-shot, admittedly) the Dems would not put Biden up against him. They would find another way.
A.O.C. vs Vivek would indeed be a celestial fire show! He could match her wits, but her experience at debate would challenge his every ideology.
He sounds great when he is in an interview, but lets see how he is in debates.

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Message 30 of 1160 (911589)
07-17-2023 3:51 PM
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07-17-2023 12:50 PM


Re: Out with Trump! In with Young Blood!
What I meant was that if Vivek becomes a front runner before the primaries are over, the Dems may rethink going with Biden. Unless they plan on keeping him quiet. Anything he says wont make a whole lot of sense.

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Message 141 of 1160 (911873)
07-29-2023 2:45 PM
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07-27-2023 3:51 PM


Re: Cassidy Hutchinson Has a Book Deal
I just read that link. I believe that she was honest and valued her conscience over her patriotism. There is hope.

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Message 186 of 1160 (911960)
08-05-2023 1:55 AM
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08-04-2023 5:08 PM


Re: Vivek Ramaswamy Politicizes the Latest Trump Indictments
To me, it kinda sounds like Ramaswamy is playing both sides against the middle. He does not want to alienate Trump supporters in case Trump gets forced out of the race,(or somehow skates through this!) but he also wants to make it appear as if he is asking a legitimate question for inquiring voters.

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Message 189 of 1160 (911986)
08-06-2023 11:05 AM
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Re: Vivek Ramaswamy Politicizes the Latest Trump Indictments
Percy writes:
...we don't need Republicans like Mr. Ramaswamy engaging in false innuendo that the events surrounding January 6th were really nothing and that this is all just Democrats playing politics.
Sounds to me like Ramaswamy is the one playing politics.

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Message 190 of 1160 (911987)
08-06-2023 11:08 AM
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Re: Vivek Ramaswamy Politicizes the Latest Trump Indictments
nwr writes:
He seemed to be going out of his way to alienate the independent voters whose support he would need.
Good point. I wonder what is strategy is? He seems bright enough...maybe he is trying to lure stupid people to vote for him.

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Message 192 of 1160 (911990)
08-06-2023 3:49 PM
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08-06-2023 1:31 PM


Biden Our Time
The numbers may fit on Bidens economic graphs, but the reality behind the curtain is that the dollar is going to become a paper tiger. The only good news there is that China has problems of its own and thus no individual nation can dethrone the US.
Ive said it before and you all think im delusional and misinformed, but wait just one more presidential term and you will witness the implosion. It matters little what we do now. As jar used to say, The Bill Will Get Paid. And no, none of us can get the wealthy to pay it.

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Message 206 of 1160 (912138)
08-17-2023 9:32 AM
Reply to: Message 205 by dwise1
08-16-2023 3:28 PM


Re: The Pledge
Yesterday sounds like the populist anthem.
Yesterday....all my troubles seemed so far away..now it looks as if they're here to stay..
I think that Mr. Trump is toast. If he wiggles out of all these indictments, we should consider that he is an antichrist. The antichrist is supposed to fool a lot of people. Religious people themselves cheer him on. Just saying.

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Message 207 of 1160 (912139)
08-17-2023 9:38 AM
Reply to: Message 204 by Percy
08-16-2023 10:13 AM


Wait A Minute...
Percy writes:
If Donald Trump is elected in 2024 his legal problems will evaporate substantially and he will embark upon what I've been calling the Trump Vengeance Tour. And if he loses in 2028 then we will have a repeat of 2020 and January 6th (not necessarily an assault on Congress, that's so last cycle, but something really, really bad) all over again.
First off, though Trump will likely forever have his base, he was elected due to quite a few swing votes in 2016. Given what we all know now, I highly doubt he will get the swing votes needed to win. And if he is on the ballot in 2028, it would have to mean that he did a good job the previous 4 years assuming that he even makes it that far.
All highly unlikely. Its time to move on.

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