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Message 1096 of 1110 (911457)
07-06-2023 12:30 AM
Reply to: Message 1095 by Phat
07-05-2023 11:45 PM


Re: High deaths from covid injections... The new normal
Solution? To what problem? Pork's problems are not real. They don't have solutions. He was NOT here to make a point, political or social. He is not, so it appears, looking for any solution or discussion. He's a drive-by bomb thrower and now he's gone.

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Message 1097 of 1110 (911458)
07-06-2023 6:47 AM
Reply to: Message 1089 by Porkncheese
07-04-2023 6:17 AM


Re: High deaths from covid injections... The new normal
Porkncheese writes:
If they really cared for the health of the civilians and had nothing to hide then they would investigate this.
I don't see how you can care about this when pigs are flying and interfering with air traffic and causing plane crashes and the deaths of thousands. The only reason you don't hear about it is because our governments are ignoring it. If they really cared for the lives of their citizens they would be investigating this.
Omigod, a pig just crashed through my picture window. That's all the evidence you need.
--Percy

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Message 1098 of 1110 (911459)
07-06-2023 7:16 AM
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07-05-2023 11:45 PM


Re: High deaths from covid injections... The new normal
He’s a troll, and it’s entirely likely that he doesn’t believe what he’s saying. The solution is to ignore him.

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Message 1099 of 1110 (911475)
07-08-2023 8:59 AM
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07-06-2023 6:47 AM


Re: High deaths from covid injections... The new normal
Percy writes:
Omigod, a pig just crashed through my picture window. That's all the evidence you need.
I'd like it twice if I could.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
-Terence


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Message 1100 of 1110 (912438)
09-01-2023 12:51 PM


"They're back!"
The quote is from the 1986 move Poltergeist 2, but of course I'm talking about the virus. Reports are coming in from across the country of rising covid rates with different variants in different regions. All the articles say we shouldn't be concerned.
The more recent virus variants have followed a trend of becoming less lethal, but there's also hints of it becoming more infectious and less vulnerable to vaccines and our immune systems. Hopefully the articles are correct that there's no reason for concern, but if I haven't already said it somewhere in this thread I'll say it now: We might be done with the virus, but the virus isn't done with us.
Predicting the future is a fool's game, but I'll try anyway. I think there will be an uptick in covid infections this winter, but because of the milder symptoms most people won't get tested or if they do they're results won't be reported, so we'll have a really poor handle on how bad it is. The only hard statistics we'll have is hospitalizations, which will tick up, especially for the older community. Hospitalizations of older people may be the only way we'll know how bad it is.
And don't forget long covid. Long covid is a very, very bad thing. You do not want to risk long covid.
Prudence dictates taking measures to reduce the odds of catching covid. Even the milder forms of covid we now see can be lethal to anyone - the older you are the worse it might be. Certainly anyone over 60 should get the new vaccine booster when it becomes available.
--Percy

  
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Message 1101 of 1110 (912702)
09-23-2023 2:44 PM


CDC Report
Here is a new report from the CDC on the vaccines.
CDC on vaccine and side effects
Clinical Considerations: Myocarditis and Pericarditis after Receipt of COVID-19 Vaccines Among Adolescents and Young Adults
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COVID-19 vaccine recommendations have been updated as of September 12. The content on this page is no longer current and will be updated to align with the new recommendations. Learn more.
Background
Cases of myocarditis and pericarditis have rarely been observed following receipt of COVID-19 vaccines used in the United States. Evidence from multiple monitoring systems in the United States and around the globe support a causal association between mRNA COVID-19 vaccines (i.e., Moderna or Pfizer-BioNTech) and myocarditis and pericarditis.
Myocarditis is inflammation of the heart muscle, and pericarditis is inflammation of the lining outside the heart; myopericarditis is present when both myocarditis and pericarditis occur at the same time. In these conditions, inflammation occurs in response to an infection or some other trigger. CDC has published case definitions for myocarditis and pericarditis. The severity of cases of myocarditis and pericarditis can vary. CDC has published studies with clinical information about myocarditis and pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination.
Cases of myocarditis and pericarditis have occurred most frequently in adolescent and young adult males within 7 days after receiving the second dose of an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine; however, cases have also been observed after dose 1 and booster doses.
Data from the clinical trials of the Novavax COVID-19 Vaccine and global vaccine safety monitoring systems suggest an increased risk of myocarditis and pericarditis following Novavax vaccination. Data from post-authorization monitoring of Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine (Johnson & Johnson) suggest a possible increased risk of myocarditis and pericarditis following Janssen vaccination.
Information on the clinical trials for the Novavax COVID-19 vaccine can be found here: U.S. clinical trial results show Novavax vaccine is safe and prevents COVID-19 | National Institutes of Health (NIH)
Information on the safety monitoring of the Janssen COVID-19 vaccine can be found here: Safety Monitoring of the Janssen (Johnson & Johnson) COVID-19 Vaccine — United States, March–April 2021 | MMWR (cdc.gov)
Guidance for Clinicians
Report all cases of myocarditis and pericarditis post-COVID-19 vaccination to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS).
Consider myocarditis and pericarditis in persons with acute chest pain, shortness of breath, or palpitations, particularly in adolescents and young adults. Younger children who have myocarditis or pericarditis may have non-specific symptoms such as irritability, vomiting, poor feeding, tachypnea (fast breathing), or lethargy.
Ask about prior COVID-19 vaccination if you identify these symptoms, as well as relevant questions about medical, travel, and social history.
For initial evaluation, consider an electrocardiogram (ECG), troponin level, and inflammatory markers such as C-reactive protein and erythrocyte sedimentation rate. In the setting of normal ECG, troponin, and inflammatory markers, myocarditis or pericarditis are unlikely.
For suspected cases, consider consultation with cardiology specialists for assistance with cardiac evaluation and management. Evaluation and management may vary depending on the patient age, clinical presentation, potential causes, or practice preference of the provider.
For follow-up of patients with myocarditis, consult the guidance from the American Heart Association and American College of Cardiology.
It is important to evaluate patients to rule out other potential causes of myocarditis and pericarditis. Consider consultation with infectious disease and/or rheumatology specialists to assist in this evaluation.
Where available, evaluate for potential causes of myocarditis and pericarditis, particularly acute COVID-19 illness, current SARS-CoV-2 infection (such as PCR testing), or prior SARS-CoV-2 infection (such as, detection of SARS-CoV-2 antibodies), as well as other viral causes (such as, enterovirus PCR and comprehensive respiratory viral pathogen testing).
CDC recommends everyone ages 6 months and older get vaccinated as soon as possible to protect against COVID-19 and its potentially severe complications.
If myocarditis or pericarditis is diagnosed after a COVID-19 vaccine dose, before giving additional doses, please refer to the latest guidance in the COVID-19 and myocarditis and pericarditis section of the Interim Clinical Considerations for Use of COVID-19 Vaccines web page.

He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.

Micah 6:8


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Message 1102 of 1110 (912716)
09-24-2023 11:04 AM
Reply to: Message 1101 by GDR
09-23-2023 2:44 PM


Re: CDC Report
In other words amazingly safe.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 1103 of 1110 (912719)
09-24-2023 12:35 PM


I got my booster Friday
My arm is still quite sore. I got the flu shot also and next week I will get the Respiratory Syncytial Virus (RSV) vaccine and the first shingles shot I keep hoping for a universal flu vaccine and also one for the so-called common cold. Respiratory infections kill a lot of people but having a vaccine that spares us the sheer misery of a cold or pneumonia would be great!

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Message 1104 of 1110 (912720)
09-24-2023 1:37 PM
Reply to: Message 1103 by Tanypteryx
09-24-2023 12:35 PM


Re: I got my booster Friday
I also got the latest Covid and Flu vaccinations on Friday and my arms are still sore as well but it's not as bad as the shingles vaccination, that one really hurt. I'm on the fence about the RSV vaccination as I'm old enough but don't have any of the underlying health issues (compromised immune system, heart/lung disease) that they recommend getting it for.

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Message 1105 of 1110 (912721)
09-24-2023 2:14 PM
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09-24-2023 1:37 PM


Re: I got my booster Friday
I'm on the fence about the RSV vaccination as I'm old enough but don't have any of the underlying health issues (compromised immune system, heart/lung disease) that they recommend getting it for.
I figure I will take advantage of anything that will help keep me from getting an infection. Many years ago I developed a fungal lung infection after a trip to Bolivia. It took years to shake it and it left me with a condition very similar to COPD. I guess humans are lucky that fungal infections are caused primarily from environmental exposure to spores rather than passed from person to person like bacterial or viral infections, since there are very few medicines that function like antibiotics, but to attack fungi.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Message 1106 of 1110 (913555)
11-13-2023 11:58 AM


Republican Aversion to Covid Vaccine
If I haven't already said it in this thread then I'll say it now: the covid pandemic had an outsized effect on red states. I just became aware of a scientific study published in July of this year that makes this point even more clear: Excess Death Rates for Republican and Democratic Registered Voters in Florida and Ohio During the COVID-19 Pandemic
As the study's title says, they looked at Republican and Democratic voters in Florida and Ohio. They found that excess mortality was "significantly higher for Republican voters than Democratic voters after COVID-19 vaccines were available to all adults, but not before."
How significantly higher was the excess mortality? After May, 2021 (in other words, well after covid vaccines became available), "the excess death rate among Republican voters was 43% higher than the excess death rate among Democratic voters." The study concludes that vaccination attitudes can not only have fatal results, but also affected "the severity and trajectory of the pandemic in the US."
Emphasizing this, obviously many of the people who died of covid echoed some of the false statements made in this thread, such as that the vaccines don't work and that the vaccines killed more people than covid. This is proof once again that believing in lies and fantasies can kill you.
About deaths from the covid vaccines, Have vaccine side effects resulted in any deaths? | COVID Vaccine Facts says that there were 310 million doses given by June of 2021. This would be approximately 150 million individuals, since most of the vaccines were originally a two-dose set. 5343 deaths of people after taking the vaccine were reported to the VAERS system, which just accepts reports and does not investigate cause. VAERS is just a starting point for finding problems.
But in the US 2.8 million people die every year of all causes, so among the 150 million people who took the vaccine during the six month period of the study there would normally be around a 650,000 deaths, or about 110,000 deaths per month. Inevitably many of these deaths would occur within weeks of taking the vaccine. 5343 deaths reported to the VAERS system is an incredibly small number, and the CDC has attributed only 9 deaths to the vaccines, specifically to the J&J vaccine that has a slight tendency to cause blood clots.
--Percy

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Message 1107 of 1110 (913559)
11-13-2023 1:31 PM
Reply to: Message 1106 by Percy
11-13-2023 11:58 AM


Re: Republican Aversion to Covid Vaccine
One of the realities of our political society in the USofA is that the Republican party is the religious party. The political faithful of the Republican base is mostly comprised of the various actively-believing protestant cults. This whole bs about vaccine controversies stems from that religious Republican home.
Again, the poison that is religious thought caused an insidious evil to befall the population. This is just one of thousands of such evils presently caused by religious thought processes affecting people’s decisions and daily lives the world over. Religion does not have to carry a gun to kill. It makes war on the mind.

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Message 1108 of 1110 (913592)
11-19-2023 12:39 PM
Reply to: Message 1106 by Percy
11-13-2023 11:58 AM


Re: Republican Aversion to Covid Vaccine
I earlier predicted that the covid infection rate would show itself this winter as hospitalizations, and that's turning out to be the case. As reported by COVID Map Shows Where Hospitalizations Have Risen Most, the CDC has recently released data showing covid ticking up. Some might detect a very modest red/blue state difference. Here's a map:
Key:
Dark Orange:>20% increase
Lignt Orange:10-20% increase
Yellow:Stable (between %10 decrease and 10% increase)
Lignt Green:10-20% decrease
Dark Green:>20% decrease
Now let's put all the states in a table and include how they voted in the last presidential election:
Alaska>20% increaseTrump
Arizona>20% increaseBiden
Hawaii>20% increaseBiden
Iowa>20% increaseTrump
Minnesota>20% increaseBiden
Montana>20% increaseTrump
Nebraska>20% increaseTrump
New Mexico>20% increaseBiden
North Dakota>20% increaseTrump
Tennessee>20% increaseTrump
Vermont>20% increaseBiden
Virginia>20% increaseBiden
Washington D.C.>20% increaseBiden
West Virginia>20% increaseTrump
Wisconsin>20% increaseBiden
Alabama10-20% increaseTrump
Arkansas10-20% increaseTrump
Illinois10-20% increaseBiden
Indiana10-20% increaseTrump
Kentucky10-20% increaseTrump
Michigan10-20% increaseBiden
Mississippi10-20% increaseTrump
Ohio10-20% increaseTrump
Oklahoma10-20% increaseTrump
Pennsyvania10-20% increaseBiden
Puerto Rico10-20% increaseNo Vote
Texas10-20% increaseTrump
Utah10-20% increaseTrump
Virgin Islands10-20% increaseNo Vote
California10% decrease to 10% increaseBiden
Colorado10% decrease to 10% increaseBiden
Connecticut10% decrease to 10% increaseBiden
Delaware10% decrease to 10% increaseBiden
Georgia10% decrease to 10% increaseBiden
Idaho10% decrease to 10% increaseTrump
Kansas10% decrease to 10% increaseTrump
Louisiana10% decrease to 10% increaseTrump
Maine10% decrease to 10% increaseBiden
Maryland10% decrease to 10% increaseBiden
Missouri10% decrease to 10% increaseTrump
Nevada10% decrease to 10% increaseBiden
New Hampshire10% decrease to 10% increaseBiden
New York10% decrease to 10% increaseBiden
North Carolina10% decrease to 10% increaseTrump
Oregon10% decrease to 10% increaseBiden
South Carolina10% decrease to 10% increaseTrump
South Dakota10% decrease to 10% increaseTrump
Washington10% decrease to 10% increaseBiden
Wyoming10% decrease to 10% increaseBiden
Florida10-20% decreaseTrump
Masschusetts10-20% decreaseBiden
Rhode Island10-20% decreaseBiden
New Jersey>20% decreaseBiden
--Percy

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Message 1109 of 1110 (913688)
11-29-2023 9:13 AM


Covid and Life Expectancy in the US
As reported by many news outlets over the past couple years, life expectancy in the US and other countries dropped during covid but has rebounded since. But according to New CDC life expectancy data shows painfully slow rebound from covid, the rebound in the US has been less than in other similar countries and continues to rise only very gradually here.
In 2019 life expectancy was 78.8 years in the US, then dropped to 76.4 in 2021. It has since risen to 77.5 for 2022. For other western nations the drop was smaller than ours and the rise larger and faster. Why?
The US covid experience was more severe than other peer countries, with the US experiencing the highest death rate per capita among wealthy nations becausen large regions of the nation were highly skeptical and resistant to shutdowns, masking and vaccines. These regions tended to suffer the brunt of the covid impact. The changes are best illustrated in a graph:
Sweden's life expectancy in 2022 was 83.1 years, more than 5½ years longer than the US.
--Percy

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Message 1110 of 1110 (913713)
11-30-2023 11:02 PM
Reply to: Message 1109 by Percy
11-29-2023 9:13 AM


Re: Covid and Life Expectancy in the US
Now the morons won't get boosters. Have never heard a valid reason why.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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