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Phat
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Message 271 of 438 (911093)
06-09-2023 2:50 PM
Reply to: Message 270 by Percy
06-09-2023 6:45 AM


It Remains To Be Seen How Hard They Can Nail Him
Percy writes:
I'd have more concern for his soul than his finances.
Why do you guys hate Trump so much? What is it about the money being given to the rich guys rather than the planet(or the people) Tax cuts dont help everyone while Green New Deals eventually do. We are nearly broke no matter which way we spend, however.
Being the moderate I am, I don't see Trump being levels worse than old Joe Biden himself. We have thrown everything but the kitchen sink at the Ukraine an a move that the military industrial complex needed. And I'm not against helping Zelensky. I'm just saying that one undisclosed motive was to gear our military industrial complex up into rebuilding our own military stocks.
I would say that we are already in the early stages of World War III.

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Theodoric
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Message 272 of 438 (911094)
06-09-2023 3:11 PM
Reply to: Message 271 by Phat
06-09-2023 2:50 PM


Re: It Remains To Be Seen How Hard They Can Nail Him
Why do you have so.much trouble staying on topic? This is just another Gish Gallop.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Phat
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Message 273 of 438 (911095)
06-09-2023 3:25 PM
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06-09-2023 3:11 PM


Re: It Remains To Be Seen How Hard They Can Nail Him
I'm not galloping anywhere. I just cant understand why everyone wants to nail the old guy so bad. Maybe it will all come out in the wash.
What would you do if he somehow skated through all of this and ran for president again? Would you be disgusted with the justice system? Suspicious of a conspiracy?
Seems like for an alleged crook he still has lots of support. The sad thing is that the Republicans have nobody better to run.

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xongsmith
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Message 274 of 438 (911096)
06-09-2023 3:52 PM
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06-09-2023 3:25 PM


Re: It Remains To Be Seen How Hard They Can Nail Him
Phat pharts out:
The sad thing is that the Republicans have nobody better to run.
The Republicans deserve to DIe DIE DIE!!!
I just cant understand
Then maybe you should just shut the fuck up and try to get that Stupid out of your head with more education.
Sorry - just responding. Nothing to see here. Move along now.

"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."
Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned!
Enjoy every sandwich!

- xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale


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Phat
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Message 275 of 438 (911097)
06-09-2023 3:57 PM
Reply to: Message 274 by xongsmith
06-09-2023 3:52 PM


Re: It Remains To Be Seen How Hard They Can Nail Him
One reason that I dont trust you guys is because you are too one-sided. You see politics through rose colored glasses and not through human nature and history.
I wouldn't vote Biden in again, personally. The old guy is liable to lose it entirely.
And the Liberals are too far to the Left. We need moderates like Obama was. Even like Reagan. The extremes in politics are worrisome.

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Phat
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Message 276 of 438 (911098)
06-09-2023 4:01 PM
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06-09-2023 3:52 PM


Re: It Remains To Be Seen How Hard They Can Nail Him

Then maybe you should just shut the fuck up and try to get that Stupid out of your head with more education.
Your education never helped you to understand the threat posed by unregulated AI. This despite being a software guy. Unplug it indeed! Its already too late. (Sorry...off topic)

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Theodoric
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Message 277 of 438 (911099)
06-09-2023 4:04 PM
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06-09-2023 4:01 PM


Re: It Remains To Be Seen How Hard They Can Nail Him
AI is not the topic here. More gish gallop.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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xongsmith
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Message 278 of 438 (911100)
06-09-2023 4:38 PM
Reply to: Message 275 by Phat
06-09-2023 3:57 PM


Re: It Remains To Be Seen How Hard They Can Nail Him
more shit from Phat:
One reason that I dont trust you guys is because you are too one-sided. You see politics through rose colored glasses and not through human nature and history.
you cant see the Fascist GOP? You are the one blind to history. This is the biggest threat to the world since Hitler.
I wouldn't vote Biden in again, personally. The old guy is liable to lose it entirely.
And yet he runs hundreds of circles around YOU. What a gullible eater of Right Wing Propaganda you are!
And the Liberals are too far to the Left.
The Left is almost gone from the USA.
We need moderates like Obama was. Even like Reagan. The extremes in politics are worrisome.
Obama was to the Right of Center. Reagan was a Fascist who was the 2nd Worst POTUS, worse than Nixon. But they all take a distant seat to Trump, the foulest, slimey pile of diarhetic shit to ever hit this country.
"One-sided" implies that there is a legitimate other side to the big right center tent of Democrats. Get your mitt and get the fuck in the game.

"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."
Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned!
Enjoy every sandwich!

- xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale


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Tanypteryx
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Message 279 of 438 (911101)
06-09-2023 5:12 PM


Read the Indictment
I just finished reading the indictment. Trump's criminal conspiracy is clearly laid out, but I suspect that he will be acquitted in any trial held in Florida, no matter how obvious his guilt.
I guess those of us who think no one is above the law will just have to be satisfied knowing that Trump is suffering really intense anxiety right now!

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


  
Percy
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Message 280 of 438 (911102)
06-09-2023 6:38 PM
Reply to: Message 271 by Phat
06-09-2023 2:50 PM


Re: It Remains To Be Seen How Hard They Can Nail Him
Phat writes:
Percy writes:
I'd have more concern for his soul than his finances.​
Why do you guys hate Trump so much?
We don't hate Trump, or at least I don't. It is evil that I hate in all its manifestations.
Being the moderate I am,...
You are a racist right-wing ideologue and an easy mark for anyone with a YouTube video.
None of the other things you decided to also be wrong about are on topic, so I won't comment.
--Percy

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Tanypteryx
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Message 281 of 438 (911103)
06-09-2023 7:05 PM
Reply to: Message 271 by Phat
06-09-2023 2:50 PM


Re: It Remains To Be Seen How Hard They Can Nail Him
Phat in Message 271 writes:
Why do you guys hate Trump so much?
It doesn't have anything to do with hate. Trump continues to commit crimes daily and those of us who believe in the rule of law want him stopped and to face consequences like any other citizen should.
Phat in Message 271 writes:
I don't see Trump being levels worse than old Joe Biden himself.
And that's why we ALL know you have never been a moderate. There has never been anyone who has damaged America as much as Trump and for you to suggest that Biden has behaved as dishonorably as Trump is disgusting lying bullshit. You should be ashamed of yourself!
Phat in Message 271 writes:
We are nearly broke no matter which way we spend, however.
Well, $8 TRILLION added to the debt by the GOP and Trump 2017 to 2021, maybe you should address that.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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DrJones*
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Message 282 of 438 (911104)
06-09-2023 7:52 PM
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06-09-2023 2:50 PM


Re: It Remains To Be Seen How Hard They Can Nail Him
Why do you guys hate Trump so much?
not being afflicted with TDSS is not the same as hating trump.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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Phat
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Message 283 of 438 (911106)
06-10-2023 11:48 AM
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06-09-2023 7:52 PM


Re: It Remains To Be Seen How Hard They Can Nail Him
What is TDSS?

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Message 284 of 438 (911107)
06-10-2023 12:52 PM
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06-10-2023 11:48 AM


Re: It Remains To Be Seen How Hard They Can Nail Him
Trump Dick Sucking Syndrome:
Sufferers have an irresistible compulsion to get down on their knees, slurp up whatever rancid jizz dribbles from trump's stunted, misshapen cock and declare it to be manna from heaven.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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Message 285 of 438 (911108)
06-10-2023 12:56 PM
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06-10-2023 11:48 AM


Re: It Remains To Be Seen How Hard They Can Nail Him
I did a forum search. The only hits were DrJones* using it in this topic three times without explanation * and this your question.
FOOTNOTE *
Id est (I.e.), the guideline I had been taught for military writing was that the first time you use an abbreviation or acronym you write it out in full followed by the abbreviation/acronym in parentheses, after which you can simply use the abbreviation/acronym; exempli gratia (e.g.), "F**ked Up Beyond All Recognition (FUBAR)", "Situation Normal, All F**ked Up (SNAFU)".
A Google search yielded several meanings for TDSS, none of which had anything to do with "Trump" (which the "T" obviously stands for), but there are hits for "TDS":
quote:
Trump derangement syndrome (TDS) is a pejorative term, usually for criticism or negative reactions to former United States president Donald Trump that are perceived to be irrational, and presumed to have little regard towards Trump's actual policy positions, or actions undertaken by his administration. The term has mainly been used by Trump supporters to discredit criticism of his actions, as a way of reframing the discussion by suggesting that his opponents are incapable of accurately perceiving the world. Politico co-founder John Harris wrote that TDS is related to gaslighting, "another psychological concept in vogue in the Trump era." Journalists have used the term to call for restraint when judging Trump's statements and actions.
The problem is that Trump keeps flaunting his criminality in public resulting in a public reaction calling for him to be brought to justice. Extreme corruption (eg, sucking the Secret Service budget dry by forcing the government to pay more than full price for his golf trips to his own resorts (the classic example of corruption which everybody else in the government, even military members, are constantly advised to avoid)), violating national security (potentially including having sold military secrets to foreign interests -- eg, $2 billion being paid to Kushner), leading a coup to overthrow the government, treasonous actions (while perhaps not meeting the strict legal definition of treason, his persistent conduct has been and continues to be what even the most casual of observers would immediately recognize and deem to be treasonous), wire fraud, probable blackmail (why else would nearly all his early opponents like Lindsey Graham abruptly turn into a remora-like sycophant after just one short private meeting?), etc.
Myself, I received nearly four decades of training in the classification system and in the handling of classified materials. I have also served as a custodian of classified materials and received the additional training commensurate with that role. If I, or anyone else, had done less than a thousandth of what Trump had done willfully, I would have been arrested and locked up immediately. So, speaking personally, why the fuck is he still walking around free? Nobody is above the law!
So while TDS is used by MAGAts and their enablers against us normals, they also suffer from a far greater derangement, one which blinds them to the reality of what has been and is going on, to lead them to fanatically defend that gross criminal. To quote Holy Roman Emperor Joseph II: "I mean, just look at it!"
I think that DrJones* has proposed a derivative abbreviation to describe MAGAts' fanatical selective blindness and selective stupidity regarding their God, The Orange Calf.
I don't know what that second "S" is supposed to mean, so he will need to tell us. But the intended meaning and use of TDSS is clear.
PS
About a month ago a fanatical MAGAt was on the radio and she did say something that I fully agreed with (and cheered when I heard it): traitors should be hanged. Of course we will never see Trump swinging from the yardarm, but that sight would still be morally fulfilling.
ABE:
DrJones* replied while I was writing.
His actual definition says basically the same thing.
A few years ago I heard about a medical procedure that MAGAts would benefit from greatly. I forget what it was called, but you replace the sternum with clear plastic. That way, when a MAGAt is walking he would be able to see where he's going.

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