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dwise1
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Message 134 of 303 (908148)
03-08-2023 6:26 PM
Reply to: Message 133 by xongsmith
03-08-2023 5:07 PM


Re: Tax The Working & Save The Planet
Phat needs a dope-slapping with wet noodles upside his face.
Are you implying that when that happens none of the noodles will stick? Regardless of however many times that is tried with however many noodles?

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Message 270 of 303 (910919)
05-26-2023 1:20 AM
Reply to: Message 264 by xongsmith
05-24-2023 11:02 PM


Re: Fascism is here
Exhibit A on why parents should have NO say in what teachers are teaching in the public schools.
Better to say that no parent should have veto power over what is taught in public schools. Imagine the chaos from that veto power being wielded by parents who are young-earth creationists, flat-earthers, birthers, election deniers, Holocaust deniers, and followers of all the various kinds of whacko-doodliness.
Though on a positive note, I've heard that one of the books banned from school libraries pursuant to a parent's complaint was The Bible. Must have been from its condoning girls getting pregnant by getting their father drunk and gang-raping him (eg, Lot and his daughters, Genesis 19).
Parents should have some kind of say in what goes on in public schools, but there need to be (and already are) proper channels and protocols for that, like working with the school board.
Despite all the MAGAt BS about promoting and honoring "parents' rights", what's actually happening is that the rights of most parents are being violated by a few zealots and wanna-be authoritarian politicians (eg, "DeSantamonous"). And any parents who do show up and try to claim their rights have to face MAGAt thugs (eg, Proud Boys & Oath Keepers) who show up to intimidate any dissent.
Das Horst Wessel Lied:
quote:
Die Fahne hoch! Die Reihen fest geschlossen!
SA marschiert mit ruhig festem Schritt.
Kam'raden, die Rotfront und Reaktion erschossen,
Marschier'n im Geist in unser'n Reihen mit.
Die Straße frei den braunen Bataillonen.
Die Straße frei dem Sturmabteilungsmann!
Es schau'n aufs Hakenkreuz voll Hoffnung schon Millionen.
Der Tag für Freiheit und für Brot bricht an!
Zum letzten Mal wird Sturmalarm geblasen!
Zum Kampfe steh'n wir alle schon bereit!
Schon flattern Hitlerfahnen über allen Straßen.
Die Knechtschaft dauert nur noch kurze Zeit!
(repeat first stanza)
Raise the flag! The ranks tightly closed!
The SA marches with calm, steady step.
Comrades shot by the Red Front and reactionaries
March in spirit within our ranks.
Clear the streets for the brown battalions,
Clear the streets for the storm division man!
Millions are looking upon the hooked-cross full of hope,
The day of freedom and of bread dawns!
For the last time, the call to arms is sounded!
For the fight, we all stand prepared!
Already Hitler's banners fly over all streets.
The time of bondage will last but a little while now!
Though from my memory of reading the lyrics in a historic magazine I bought in West Germany, Das III. Reich (1973), that second line was more like:
quote:
SA marschiert im fest geschloßnen Rang.
SA marches in tightly closed ranks.
"SA" was the Sturmabteilung, "Storm Division" or "Storm Detachment", AKA "Brown Shirts", the organized bands of Nazi thugs whose functions, besides "showing the flag" (ie, making the Nazi presence constantly known), was to intimidate and even eliminate any opponents or even anybody trying to carry on normally. Disruption of the normal operation of governmental or social bodies was an objective.
We see that now with paramilitary and white supremacist groups showing up at meetings they disapprove of (eg, school boards and other local government public meetings, story hours), with the flood of death threats against government officials at all levels and their families as well as election volunteers, and the explosion of mass shootings carried out primarily by white supremacists.
Le plus ça change, le plus la même chose. ("The more it changes, the more it's the same thing.")

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Message 271 of 303 (910920)
05-26-2023 4:06 AM
Reply to: Message 265 by Phat
05-25-2023 8:32 PM


Re: Fascism is here
They really need to quit pushing CRT. It fosters division rather than unity.
I fully agree, but that won't stop those fucking evil MAGAt traitors. One of the few things I can agree with Trump on is that traitors should be executed. I wonder which yardarm Trump should hang from -- please not on the USS Constitution, which would stain that icon forever (the Flag of the United States Navy displays the ACE: Anchor, Constitution, Eagle). Not on my watch!
Those fucking stupid MAGAts keep pushing CRT as some imminent danger, when it is not. They don't know what it even is, just as they have absolutely no clue what "woke" is. Those are nothing more than buzzwords, "dog whistles", that they are conditioned Pavlovianally to react to *, the same as creationists react to the dog whistles of "evolution" and "evolutionists" even though none of them have any inkling of an idea of what those words actually mean.
So just what exactly is Critical Race Theory? From that link:
quote:
Critical race theory (CRT) is a cross-disciplinary examination – by social and civil-rights scholars and activists – of how laws, social and political movements, and media shape, and are shaped by, social conceptions of race and ethnicity. The word critical in the name is an academic reference to critical thinking, critical theory, and scholarly criticism, rather than criticizing or blaming people.
Critical Race Theory is the stuff of third-year law school, not any fucking K-3 curriculum. (Standard question to fucking stupid creationists: So just what the fuck are you talking about?)
MAGAts don't care about the truth, do they?
The truth is that racism did indeed lead to measures, especially (but not exclusively) in the South which directly affected state laws (eg, redlining, which also affected Mexican-Americans' rights to own property in Orange County, Calif, in the 1920's leading to the coloñas
). That is specifically what Critical Race Theory addresses. These laws are referred to as "Jim Crow Laws", which also extended into election laws with poll taxes, poll tests ("How many marbles are there in this here jar now, boy?")
So then here is the choice:
  • Stop the Jim Crow laws and allow complete equality under the law. Or ...
  • Do a cover-up about the Jim Crow laws and not only continue to implement them but also expand them, all while directly opposing anyone who might make any mention of such Jim Crow laws, as well as any mention about slavery in the USA.
Slavery happened. It is a historic fact.
Jim Crow laws happened. They are a historic fact.
History must be taught. Unless you are a MAGAt who decides that history must be rewritten.
History must be taught. Or are you personally opposed to the truth?
How much more simply could we put it?

FOOTNOTE *:
Three and a Half Men episode where the two brothers spend the evening at "Pavlov's Bar" where periodically the bartender would ring a bell whereupon everybody would bark and take a shot. Drunk, the brothers decide to finally confront their mother (dysfunctional rich family), so they tell the taxi driver to drive down this main street until he reaches the Gates of Hell, where she resides. At her front door, they ring the doorbell and immediately start to bark, confused as to why they just did that.
Well, I thought it was funny.

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Message 303 of 303 (911337)
06-26-2023 9:16 PM
Reply to: Message 302 by Percy
06-26-2023 8:34 PM


Re: Is Trump The Only Alternative?
Trump is more extreme than the rest of the Republicans, but their strategy is at heart the same: scare people into believing the county is going to hell and that only they can save it.
I've mentioned this movie before: Er ist wieder da (2015 -- "He's Back Again", though the English language title was "Look Who's Back."). The premise is that Hitler suddenly and mysteriously reappears in modern Berlin (ie, 2014) completely healthy but unaware of the time that has passed nor how he had gotten there. The tourists in Pariser Platz (in front of the Brandenburg Gate) mistake him for a street performer. A filmmaker decides to make a film about him and they go on a tour of Germany in which, Borat-style, we see him interacting in character with real Germans and how they react to him (mainly positive with them complaining to him about immigrants and refugees, etc). He ends up on a TV show where his popularity increases. The film ends with real news footage of right-wing neo-fascist political demonstrations -- he's back.
The film was on Netflix, but then rotated off that service. My Roku search feature cannot find streaming anywhere, but I just found it on YouTube at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40zcGhvekhs&t=10s (it seems that YouTube is a good source for hard-to-find movies)
The film was released in 2015 and I saw it on Netflix during the 2016 campaign. I was shocked to see how Trump's speeches and MAGA rhetoric mirrored those of Hitler in that movie, the same claims, the same fears being stoked, etc.
Back to your "their strategy is at heart the same: scare people into believing the county is going to hell and that only they can save it.":
In Hitler's first TV appearance (it was on a comedy show whose host was named Witzigmann ("Funny Man")) at first the audience laughs at seeing him, but he just stands there waiting until they all become silent and he has their full attention. Then he begins his speech whose major point is (from memory) "this country is hurtling towards a chasm which you cannot see, but I can see it and only I can save you from it."
Le plus ça change, le plus la même chose.

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