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Message 1840 of 1864 (910866)
05-22-2023 10:22 AM
Reply to: Message 1836 by Tangle
05-20-2023 3:10 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Tangle, I read in one of your posts that you are a very
educated man. You have like 200 degrees, some
doctorates and some masters.
And with all these degrees you cannot figure out that
the beliefs of Darwin are diametrically opposed to that
of God and creation.
There is only two ways for life to begin. It is either by
blind luck, or it is by creation.
You mention that Darwin has contributed much to the
scientific community.
No, he has not. A belief in evolution contributes nothing
to science.
Darwinianism is the evolutionary science (it isn't really a
science) of the gaps.
Dawwinians (remember that Darwin is the father of the
"jelly-like substance-I get a good laugh out of this) have
monstrously huge gaps in their evolutionary trees.
There are no intermediary or transitional fossils. None.
Anyone that says so is lying through their teeth.
Recently, several biologists were asked if they knew of
examples of one "kind" of organism evolving into another
"kind" of organism.
They hee-hawed around but could think of none. One
stated that he could name hundreds of examples,
but was unable to name just one.
One of them gave the stickleback fish as an example.
When asked what the stickleback is now, the biologist
replied that it is still a fish.
I would say that Darwin has turned these biologists
into mindless idiots.
DE's insist that natural selection, guided by survival of
the fittest, has led to the millions of differing organisms
on the earth.
Yet, they cannot fully explain what constitutes "fittest."
They cannot say what "fittest" is.
They have no good explanation for how new organs
Form.
Richard Dawkins tries to explain how the eye could have
developed over time.
If everything is by blind and unguided chance, then the
chances of the eye going in the opposite direction is
just as great.
For evolution to have gotten us to where we are today
it would have had to happen, not only to mammals but,
to insects, birds, dinos, etc...
Darwinians have no answers for the complexities of life.
They cannot explain how DNA, which represents an
abstract coding system, and absolutely points to
intelligence, just came to be.
Every nucleus of every cell in the human body has two
meters of DNA in a microscopic dot that has the info
needed to build each of us.
It would take a very gullible individual to believe that
all this came about by chance.
Remember that that the probability of one significant
functional protein happening by chance is 1 to the
64th power.
Or 1 in
10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.
Also, the probability that one protein evolving into
another similar one, based on minor changes would
take:
1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 years.
Remember that the protein evolving comes only after the
1 to the 64th power probability of a functional protein
happening.
The one protein evolving is barely, barely, barely, barely,
the beginning of life and the myriad forms of it.
I quoted Scripture to show that the rise of Britain and
America were foretold centuries before actuality, which
points to a Creator.

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Message 1843 of 1864 (910884)
05-23-2023 6:06 PM
Reply to: Message 1841 by PaulK
05-22-2023 10:49 AM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Paulk, Surmaritans are not Israelites. The Assyrians,
which conquered the 10 Northern Tribes of Israel in
721 BC.
Assyria, as is true with many conquering nations at that
time, deported natives from their homeland. The
Assyrians replaced the Israelites with people from several
locations.
The Samaritans and the Jews despised each other.
Neither the land of Samaria nor the Samaritans themselves
were promised a mighty nation and a company of nations.
The promises made to the descendants of Ephraim and
Manasseh had not been fulfilled before 721 BC.
The promises were to be fulfilled during the last days.
Promises made by God of what would befall them is
also recorded in Leviticus, Jeremiah, and several other
books.
The prophet Ezekiel, although a Jew, was made a
watchman to the House of Israel and also for the House
of Judah. Ezekiel 2:3,5 & 3:17.
Ezekiel, who became a watchman for the House of Israel,
became so over a hundred year after Israel had been
conquered and deported.
Many of Ezekiel's visions of/for Israel are for the last days.
Because of our abominations and eniquties Ezekiel
records that God would not pity nor show mercy to us.
Ezekiel states that God will bring the worst of the heathens
(Gentiles) against us. They will possess our houses and all
that we own.
Ezekiel states that the strangers among us is come to
rule over us.
Ezekiel says that we will throw our gold and our silver
into the street. They will become worthless. Anyone who
has food to eat will not sell at any price.
I can say with certainty that I would give food and water
to anyone who comes to my door. This is what God wants
us to do, if we truly trust him.
Israelites will seek a vision and counsel from our
preacher, but they will have none to give.
They will have led us astray.
Instead of the truth, Israel has only wanted to hear
soothing words from their religious leaders.
Jeremiah states that it is the time of Jacob's (Israel)
trouble. Furthermore, he states that there has never been
a time like it, nor ever shall be. It will be worse than what
the Jews endured under Hitler.
This time it will not be only the Jews who go through this. All
of Israel will suffer this fate, especially the English speaking
Israelites, who are descended from Joseph.
We were to be a light to the world. We were to exhibit God's
way of life for all to see. We were to be a witness for him.
Instead we have become a stench in His nostrils.
This time is right at our door.

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candle2
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Message 1844 of 1864 (910885)
05-23-2023 6:07 PM
Reply to: Message 1841 by PaulK
05-22-2023 10:49 AM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Paulk, Surmaritans are not Israelites. The Assyrians,
which conquered the 10 Northern Tribes of Israel in
721 BC.
Assyria, as is true with many conquering nations at that
time, deported natives from their homeland. The
Assyrians replaced the Israelites with people from several
locations.
The Samaritans and the Jews despised each other.
Neither the land of Samaria nor the Samaritans themselves
were promised a mighty nation and a company of nations.
The promises made to the descendants of Ephraim and
Manasseh had not been fulfilled before 721 BC.
The promises were to be fulfilled during the last days.
Promises made by God of what would befall them is
also recorded in Leviticus, Jeremiah, and several other
books.
The prophet Ezekiel, although a Jew, was made a
watchman to the House of Israel and also for the House
of Judah. Ezekiel 2:3,5 & 3:17.
Ezekiel, who became a watchman for the House of Israel,
became so over a hundred year after Israel had been
conquered and deported.
Many of Ezekiel's visions of/for Israel are for the last days.
Because of our abominations and eniquties Ezekiel
records that God would not pity nor show mercy to us.
Ezekiel states that God will bring the worst of the heathens
(Gentiles) against us. They will possess our houses and all
that we own.
Ezekiel states that the strangers among us is come to
rule over us.
Ezekiel says that we will throw our gold and our silver
into the street. They will become worthless. Anyone who
has food to eat will not sell at any price.
I can say with certainty that I would give food and water
to anyone who comes to my door. This is what God wants
us to do, if we truly trust him.
Israelites will seek a vision and counsel from our
preacher, but they will have none to give.
They will have led us astray.
Instead of the truth, Israel has only wanted to hear
soothing words from their religious leaders.
Jeremiah states that it is the time of Jacob's (Israel)
trouble. Furthermore, he states that there has never been
a time like it, nor ever shall be. It will be worse than what
the Jews endured under Hitler.
This time it will not be only the Jews who go through this. All
of Israel will suffer this fate, especially the English speaking
Israelites, who are descended from Joseph.
We were to be a light to the world. We were to exhibit God's
way of life for all to see. We were to be a witness for him.
Instead we have become a stench in His nostrils.
This time is right at our door.

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candle2
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Message 1846 of 1864 (910958)
05-29-2023 1:23 PM
Reply to: Message 1842 by Tangle
05-22-2023 11:21 AM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Tangle, I understand that there are theistic evolutionists,
but you are not one of them. You have stated that you are
a hard atheist.
A hard atheist does not believe in God. An agnostic does
not totally deny the existence of a Creator God, but an
atheist, especially a hard to the core atheist, does.
A hard atheist cannot fall back on just evolution; the
hard atheist has the extra burden of defining how life
began.
The complexity of the simple cell is completely
devastating to atheists. Most atheists will not admit this,
but deep inside they know this to be true.
Furthermore, the lack of transitional fossils is fatal for
theistic evolutionists.
TE's are insultinly dishonest when they insist that there
are many intermediate fossils.
If the fossils were there, they would be craming them
down our throats. But, they are not there.
Even Darwin, who believed that the simple cell was made
of jelly, understood that the lack of transitional fossils
would relegate his theory to fantasy.
God creates by design, not by chance. God spoke the
plants and animals into existence. He created Adam and
Eve with His own hands.
TE's are not helping God's cause by substituting lies for
His truth.

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Message 1849 of 1864 (910987)
05-30-2023 2:45 PM
Reply to: Message 1837 by PaulK
05-20-2023 5:12 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Paulk, if you Google Douglas Axe, you will find that he
gives the odds of many random events.
What I touched on was just tip of the iceberg.
I never associated time with distance.
I simply quoted the odds of a random event happening.
The other was given in the the number of years.
And you hit the nail on the head. 13 billion years,
according to Axe and Gauger, is not likely to be
enough time.
You call me irrational because I do not believe that
cells are not made of jelly.
It sounds as though you agree with Darwin concerning
the cell.
There is no need for anyone to be upset with me simply
because I can see through the evolution crap.

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candle2
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Message 1851 of 1864 (911048)
06-05-2023 10:30 AM
Reply to: Message 1850 by PaulK
05-30-2023 2:58 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Paulk, what does Ron Wyatt have to do with this?
He was one of the sources I used for the route of the
Exodus, but nothing else.
If memory serves me correctly, you stated that the
Israelites crossed the Sea of Reeds, instead of the Red
Sea.
The Bible states that the water where they crossed was
waters of the great deep.
Furthermore, the separated water formed great walls of
water on both sides of the Israelites.
Isn't it highly irrational, even delusional, to classify the
marshlands of the Sea of Reeds as " the great deep"?
Even when parted the wall of water at the Sea of Reeds
would only reach three or four feet in height.
In James 1:1, the Apostle James states that the twelve
Tribes of Israel were scattered abroad (Diaspora). To
distribute in foreign lands.
In Deuteronomy 33 and Genesis 48 & 49, the twelve
Tribes are spoken of as separate and unique nations.
Both their blessings in Deuteronomy and their last days
prophecies in Genesis are not referring to the twelve
Tribes constituting just one single small nation.
It is ludicrous for one to even suggest this, much less to
try and defend it.
Ephraim was to become a company/multitude of nations.
Ephraim's prophecies alone defies logic that the small
land area called Samaria could fulfill all that applies to
Ephraim in the last days.
Moreover, Manasseh was to become a single great nation.
If Samaria were that single great nation, the other eleven
tribes could not be counted as being in that nation.
Or else, what applies to one tribe would apply to them
all.
It has been the modern nation of Israel (both GB & the U.S.)
that has spread the words of God and His Holy Bible to
the world.
God does not use Gentiles to spread Him and His word
to the rest of the world.
The Holy Bible is a Book about God and Israel. The only
mention of other nations is when they come into contact
with Israel.

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Message 1853 of 1864 (911065)
06-07-2023 11:12 AM
Reply to: Message 1848 by Tangle
05-29-2023 2:27 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Tangle, you ask if I would know what a transitional fossils
would look like.
I am 100% certain that no one does. There are none.
You know that there are none. I know that there are none.
I'm just honest enough to admit this.
I do not know how old the earth is.
My understanding from Genesis, and elsewhere, is that
the creation week was a renewing of the earth, which had
been devastated by Lucifer's rebellion.
Even the weakest of the angels (fallen and faithful) would
possess more power than earth's strongest hurricane.
Many of the planets and moons in our solar system (there
is no reason to believe the war wasn't universal) still carry
the scars of that war.
However, man and animals have only existed for roughly
6000 years.
Interestingly, God is allowing humanity 6000 years of
life under Satan's rule.
During this time humanity will have tried every form of
government that can be devised. We will fail miserably.
We will fail so badly that if Christ does not intervene,
which He promises that He will do, all life would be
completely destroyed. Matthew 24.
God wanted Adam and Eve to listen to Him. He alone
know the way to true peace and happiness.
They chose to trust in themselves.
God is giving humanity the time and opportunity to find
this out for ourselves (that without Him and His ways of
"give" instead of Satan's way of "get" that complete
peace and love for each other will never be realized).
God will then show humanity His way, with Christ here
to lead us.
He did not give up on the earth. He will install His
Kingdom on this earth.
Via this Kingdom all humans who have ever lived will
be resurrected and shown God's ways. There are
exceptions though. But, the vast majority will fully
embrace our loving Savior.
Those who do will become the very sons of God. As
His sons and daughters we will then become the
family of God. Ourselves God Beings, with far greater
power than Satan ever possessed.

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Message 1855 of 1864 (911074)
06-07-2023 3:21 PM
Reply to: Message 1854 by Tangle
06-07-2023 11:50 AM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Tangle, No one knows how old the universe is.
It is impossible for humans to date the age of the earth.
Any and all dating methods are not only flawed, but
highly flawed.
And, they are manipulated to fit the paradigm of the
administrator.
An offspring inherits traits from both parents. He cannot
be anything other than what he inherits from them. This is
not evolution.
Dr. Carl Werner, in his book "Living Fossils" relates that
it is quite common for fossil researchers to unearth
modern bird fossils among dinosaur bones.
Museums do not display them. It doesn't line up with
their agenda.
To withhold this information from the public is to
suppress the truth, and it is dishonest.
Ducks, loons, flamingos, parrots, and fossils of many
other modern day bird fossils are found alongside, and
even below, dino bones.
Dr. Werner is not the only scientist stressing this.

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