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Phat
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Message 250 of 303 (910878)
05-23-2023 7:29 AM
Reply to: Message 181 by Tanypteryx
03-14-2023 4:20 PM


Re: In Brief:
Tanypteryx writes:
Just what exactly is this duping that you have brilliantly uncovered?

Which country looks like it is behaving like a world leader?
Both the US and China are behaving like leaders within their respective domains.
As you point out, China is spending more money in what some would argue is the "only proper way" to spend/invest it. In the meantime, the whole concept of spending, controlling, and using money to finance global goals is changing. With the rise and eventual implementation of CDDC's,(Central Bank Digital Currencies) the direct control of money is switching from wealthy individuals to the power of government.
This concerns Conservatives more so than Liberals because Liberals favor bigger government. It is, to them, the only obvious solution to counter the power of wealthy cartels and private equity firms.
Historically, men of immense wealth and power were in league with big banks from the get go.(early twenties, formation of Federal Reserve, League of Nations...on now to the United Nations and World Economic Forum.) It was said of J.P. Morgan that he was in the pocket of the powerful banking cartel of the House of Rothchild. Now...years later, J.P Morgan/Chase is the leading bank of the United States and is likely in lockstep with our own Federal Reserve. Some say that regional (smaller) banks will eventually disappear by and large and that in this country only six major banks will survive. Assuming that to be a reactionary and alarmist sentiment, the CBDC system is a form of centralized control.
So where am I going with this? The issue of control. With the advent of CDBC's, nobody can operate apart from the central system. Money can be turned on and off to a 100x degree greater than current credit card systems. There will be no way to challenge such a system if your ideologies happen to disagree with the unipolar goals of such a system.
Meanwhile, the U.S. is becoming isolationist and spiteful toward our allies and has withdrawn aid from the less developed countries and has opened the gate to Chinese aid for the third world, and this is all driven by the Republicans and conservatives in the U.S. who seem to be afraid of absolutely everything that they can possibly imagine, while intentionally ignoring the global dangers that are obviously imperiling us all!.
See? You have identified what you see as the enemy of sanity and reason. You view China not as an enemy but as a worthy global competitor. You see nothing wrong with an eventual one world system of cooperation and unified goals. And to you, it matters little (apparently) whether or not the leading nation behind such a change is Communist.
What have you to say for yourself?

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Phat
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Message 251 of 303 (910879)
05-23-2023 7:51 AM
Reply to: Message 243 by nwr
04-07-2023 1:19 PM


Re: Grinding America Down
nwr writes:
Much of this isn't theft. It is US businesses outsourcing to cut costs, and giving the intellectual property to the Chinese to enable that outsourcing. And I do blame conservatives for the outsourcing, for putting profits ahead of people.
Noted. Many wealthy individuals in the US are in bed with China...for their own selfish gains. Human Nature writ large!
nwr writes:
Do you really think that USA doesn't infiltrate societies in other nations?
Of course we do. When it comes to power and influence, global competition can be cutthroat. For the past 80 years, we have had the upper hand. But the balance of power is shifting.
nwr writes:
The debt increases when Republicans are in control.
Only when the GOP is in control? Lets examine the data.
PolitiFact.com writes:
The day President Joe Biden took office, the national debt stood at $27.7 trillion. Eight months later, it is approaching that $28.4 trillion limit. But Scott’s finger-pointing ignores how the debt got as big as it is. Thanks to spending for wars, crises and mandatory government programs, along with a series of tax cuts, the debt continued expanding throughout the post-World War II period, regardless of which party controlled the White House or Congress.(...)Marc Goldwein, senior policy director at the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, a group that promotes deficit reduction, said both parties own the current debt.
"It has been produced by Democrats and Republicans, on both a partisan and bipartisan basis," Goldwein said.
Quit blaming all of our problems on the Republicans and I may consider quitting calling out the Democrats. Both parties increase the debt. Period.

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Phat
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Message 253 of 303 (910881)
05-23-2023 3:36 PM
Reply to: Message 252 by Theodoric
05-23-2023 10:26 AM


Re: In Brief:
Theo writes:
If this is so, it would be bad for what reason?
For one thing, and I have said it before, control. I do not want a government meddling in my personal life nor my personal finances.
Central Bank Digital Currencies Are About Control – They Should Be Stopped
Forbes:
While Americans have long held money predominantly in digital form—for example in bank accounts recorded as computer entries on commercial bank ledgers—a CBDC would differ from existing digital money available to the general public because a CBDC would be a liability of the Federal Reserve, not of a commercial bank.(...)And while this fact might seem like a feature instead of bug, it’s a major problem for anything that resembles a free society. (Paper currency is also a liability of the Fed, but that fact means very little with freely circulating fiat money, especially when private banks issue deposits.) ...
The CBDC itself is mainly the government’s attempt to protect its privileged position and exert more control over money.
The problem is that there is no limit to the level of control that the government could exert over people if money is purely electronic and provided directly by the government. A CBDC would give federal officials full control over the money going into–and coming out of–every person’s account. This level of government control is not compatible with economic or political freedom.
If Congress really wants to provide more access to financial markets and ensure more innovation in financial services, members should support more private innovation and competition. They should work to lessen government monopoly and regulation while ensuring that the Fed cannot issue a CBDC.

I agree with the columnist.

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Phat
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Message 257 of 303 (910894)
05-24-2023 12:25 PM
Reply to: Message 256 by Stile
05-24-2023 8:36 AM


Re: In Brief:
The difference is that now, once you withdraw a sum from the bank, you can do what you want with it anonymously. With a CBDC system there is no personal anonymity.

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Message 265 of 303 (910913)
05-25-2023 8:32 PM
Reply to: Message 264 by xongsmith
05-24-2023 11:02 PM


Re: Fascism is here
They really need to quit pushing CRT. It fosters division rather than unity. And your comment shows evidence of progressive authoritarianism. Since when do Americans have no right to publicly humiliate a divisive agenda? Would you not want that same right?
Addbyedit: I spoke too soon. The comments overwhelmingly favor the speaker rather than the ignorant loudmouth. I guess what irks me is Theos authoritarian cure for free speech, however ignorant.

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Phat
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Message 274 of 303 (910943)
05-27-2023 6:50 PM
Reply to: Message 266 by nwr
05-25-2023 8:42 PM


Re: Fascism is here
What you (militant progressives) DONT have the right to do is make up fancy theories and attempt to shame or silence people through trying to be morality cops and by using the cancel culture narrative. You don't get to redefine either self identity or morality
That's what happens when humans become woke as a joke.

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Phat
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Message 279 of 303 (910950)
05-28-2023 12:37 PM
Reply to: Message 273 by Theodoric
05-26-2023 8:30 AM


Singling Theo Out
First off, the only reason I tend to single you out is because you have never been a believer, you applaud experts(based mainly on their education) and have no problem with eradicating Christian beliefs being represented in a classroom in any way. I had nor have any gripes with Amanda Gorman. No, I have not read her book and my reaction was simply a buildup stemming from what is being taught and what is being dismissed.
Theo writes:
So you going to run away and hide?
No, I'm reading the replies now...
Theodoric writes:
What morality are the progressives pushing?
Good question, I'm going to formulate most of my admittedly knee-jerk response based off of this particular article: Progressivism in the United States
Wiki:
Progressivism in the United States is a political philosophy and reform movement in the United States advocating policies that are generally considered social democratic and left-wing.
Thus we need to distinguish between the characteristics of the early historical progressivism(Late 1890's to onset of Great Depression) and modern progressivism.
Wiki:
While the modern progressive movement may be characterized as largely secular in nature, by comparison, the historical progressive movement was to a significant extent rooted in and energized by religion.[3]
This caught my attention. It brings into play the whole argument between freedom of religion and freedom fromreligion. Basically, my initial gripe was directed at the way that younger society is being taught these days. I knew a bit about what CRT stood for, and I knew that it was not a subject taught to students so much as an overall philosophy increasingly being adapted by teachers(since it is a graduate level study)
In a nutshell, what I fear (logical or illogical might I be) is that the same ideas that we debate here will become mainstream and that students will be taught that it is politically correct to oppose religion(beliefs) and embrace an attitude akin to atheism and secular humanism.
Of course, much of the fault also lies with the churches. It was they who pushed Biblical Creationism with such desperate fervor. And I will cautiously agree that our future students need to be taught critical thinking and an honest examination of history. I simply fear that we are entering an era of over-correction, where minority cultures are applauded and showcased whereas the culture that I grew up in is increasingly shamed and told to sit down.
dwise1 writes:
History must be taught. Or are you personally opposed to the truth?
Religion(Christians, particularly) are increasingly being portrayed as ignorant rubes whose beliefs are grounded in fantasy. Other religions and religious beliefs are showcased and celebrated, turning absolute truth into a mockery. Students are taught moral relativism to an excessive degree.
Of course, were the parents better educated, much of this could be minimized, but it seems that there is an imaginary line in the sand between belief and reality and that the implication is that any well educated individual should be skeptical at best and secular minded in regard to future possible events and trends on our planet.
Percy writes:
Yes, it is obvious that calling attention to America's racist past alienates racists.
I think that the very word racism is tossed around much too arbitraily and liberally. It is one weapon to shame someone into silence for fear of offending anybody.
One of my fears is that the free speech of religion (End times ideas, for example) will get shoehorned into the category of hate speech and divisive thinking while alternative views (which I should be able to criticize) will be more mainstream. Perhaps I am just an old codger with views and beliefs set in stone yet anchored in sand...shifting sand in an age of secular progressivism.

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Phat
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Message 285 of 303 (911272)
06-22-2023 6:11 AM
Reply to: Message 284 by Percy
06-20-2023 11:20 AM


I see shoplifting in real time
Ive talked before about the shoplifting at my store, but not many of you believed me when I told you how much goes out the door. The situation is getting worse all of the time. They installed a one way gate at both doors and now have a new security company, but the owners of our store, Cerberus Capital Management, seemingly only cares about the insurance and not about the declining standards of human decency which they encourage by doing absolutely nothing about it. Right now, the pendulum is swung so far to the left that we have police doing absolutely nothing to stop these assaults on businesses. I believe that the pendulum will swing too far tthe other way and that we will eventually have armed guards and burly loss prevention agents to keep the criminal element out of the store.
The amount of merch stolen ($4000.00 a day) and our observations show that there are around 20-25 repeat vagabonds stealing nearly every day.(they grab an average of over $500.00 every run) It makes me sick. You liberal whiners will coddle the criminals and somehow blame the Republicans, but you likely would not be in favor of better security.

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Phat
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Message 288 of 303 (911276)
06-22-2023 12:08 PM
Reply to: Message 286 by Tangle
06-22-2023 6:45 AM


Re: I see shoplifting in real time
First lets get one thing straight here! I NEVER voted for Donald Trump. Thanks to my sister I ended up voting for Biden and now regret it.
Tangle writes:
The company will use whatever methods to reduce the loss that makes commercial sense to them. It's their business not yours. You voted for right-wing, look-after-yourself capitalism - here it is at work in your store. And here's you crying for help from the big state.
Whose job is it to serve and protect? At work, they hire private security...likely another tax write off or way to lower the insurance.
ou tell us you're a Christian (ha!), why aren't you doing something about the root cause of crime - drug and alcohol abuse, homelessness, poverty and depravation, education and inequality of wealth? Why aren't you feeding the hungry, housing the homeless tending to the sick?
I do all of those things, though im not gonna simply help people by voting progressive. Giving a thief a house does not stop them from stealing. The rest of the homeless...most who are not thieves, can benefit.
You guys portray me as selfish and unchristian which is my fault, I suppose. There are many opportunities to share the gospel in an unobtrusive way and I do take advantage of my verbal skills in my work environment. You people think that all the world needs is a good government. You will be surprised.
Thats another topic, however. Im not here to praise right wing authoritarianism. Too far left or too far right causes problems either way.

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Phat
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Message 292 of 303 (911284)
06-22-2023 9:13 PM
Reply to: Message 291 by Theodoric
06-22-2023 8:25 PM


Re: I see shoplifting in real time
Theo writes:
Do you even know what a tax write off is?
In some ways, I think that Cerberus wants the company to fail so that they can recoup the losses on their taxes and simply close the place.

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Phat
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Message 293 of 303 (911285)
06-22-2023 9:37 PM
Reply to: Message 289 by Tangle
06-22-2023 12:48 PM


Re: I see shoplifting in real time
nwr writes:
if people are poor, hungry, homeless and drug addicted, you have to deal with the cause.
Perhaps you could explain the cause briefly. You then could explain why people used to work hard for next to nothing in the Great Depression whereas now they would rather steal. Am I ashamed of the US? People these days seem to have lost the character that made the Greatest Generation (WWII) live up to its name.
I remember jar used to say that
1) We will get the nation we want.
2) The bill will get paid.
3) Americans will someday make great servants for the wealthy foreigners.
And when he said that it annoyed the heck out of me.
It seems like this debt stuff all started with Reagan.

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Phat
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Message 296 of 303 (911292)
06-23-2023 8:28 AM
Reply to: Message 290 by nwr
06-22-2023 2:37 PM


Re: I see shoplifting in real time
They need to first get off drugs. Next, they need to quit stealing. The other ways that they can adapt include working and doing things the legal way.
There would be a lot less shoplifting if there weren't people who are forced to find other ways of getting food.
I call bullshit. Nobody is forced to break the law. This isnt a third world country. We have many food banks and ways to survive. The problem with shoplifters is that they want to live as good as I do. Yet they refuse to work as hard. They want solutions handed to them. Frustrated, they take enough stuff (from the rest of us, indirectly) to have their mythical lifestyle to which they think they are entitled.
You all scold me for thinking I am entitled, so perhaps it is my destiny to join them.
Sometimes I think it is my destiny to die and get out of the way.
I'm not as strong as the street people...even the addicts. If there is anyone left in this forum that prays, pray for me that I will develop empathy rather than hatred.

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Phat
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Message 301 of 303 (911326)
06-26-2023 1:14 PM
Reply to: Message 300 by Percy
06-25-2023 5:11 PM


Is Trump The Only Alternative?
From Message 359
"I AM THE ONLY ONE": TRUMPS MESSIANIC 2024 MESSAGE
This was from The New Yorker. (June 15th, 2023)
Some bits that lept out:
The New Yorker:
  • The Republican political consultant Richard Berman ...devised an acronym to capture his firm’s aggressive approach to politics: FLAGS—fear, love, anger, greed, and sympathy. Of those, he believed, anger and fear were undoubtedly the most effective.
  • The 2024 G.O.P. primary is shaping up as a veritable stew of hatreds, with the candidates raising alarms about everyone from scary trans activists to marauding migrants and “woke” radical-left Communists. In 2016, during Trump’s campaign, he promoted a “Muslim ban” to protect L.G.B.T.Q.+ Americans from “a hateful foreign ideology”; this time, as the political writer Dave Weigel recently noted, Republicans are courting Muslim voters by promising to protect them against threatening L.G.B.T.Q.+ ideologues. The point is to have an enemy—or many enemies—whoever they are.
  • But there is, I’m afraid, an important reason to listen more attentively than ever to what Trump is saying. As he faces the very real threat of conviction and imprisonment in the criminal cases now pending against him, he has dramatically escalated the apocalypse quotient in his rhetoric. It’s no longer enough merely to bemoan “American carnage,” à la his 2017 Inaugural Address, or to portray himself as the savior who will do something about it. With his own survival on the line, Trump has now embraced a Presidential-campaign platform of do-or-die-ism. There is a chilling urgency to his words as he calls on his followers to show up for “the final battle,” a phrase I first noticed him using earlier this year. “We will get reëlected,” he said in his speech this week. “We have no choice.”

  • And then I remembered what Dwise1 said. (He is one of the members at EvC whom I respect)
    Dwise1:
    Message 48, Message 71, and "Conservative Christians et alia do not understand public education. Because they only use "education" for indoctrination, they project that onto the rest of us and wrongly assume that "all education is indoctrination". They don't know the difference. They cannot even begin to realize that there is any difference.".
    Yes, I DO read what my critics say and I DO often think about it in context with what I read and hear about in the media.

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