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candle2 Member Posts: 827 Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Dredge, the RCC insists that Mary is free from the
original sin-immaculate conception, CCC paragraph 491. She, according to them, needed no sacrifice for her sins. In other words, she is sinless. 1 John 1:8 "If we say that we have no sin, we deceiveourselves, and the truth is not in us." Romans 3:23 "For all have sinned, and come short of theglory of God." Luke 1:46-47 "And Mary said, My soul doth magnify theLord." "And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour."
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candle2 Member Posts: 827 Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Dredge, the RCC does not believe that Christ's blood is
capable of cleansing a Christian from all sins. It takes the RCC to do that. CCC, paragraph 1030: "All who die in God's grace andfriendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation, but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven." Purification refers to cleansing of contaminants, in thiscase sin. Paragraph 1032 prescribes prayers for the dead. Isaiah 53:5 states that with His (Jesus) stripes we arehealed. 1 John 1:7 "But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light,we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ, His Son, cleanseth us from all sins. Colossians 1:14 "In whom we have redemption throughHis blood, even the forgiveness of sins." I certainly would not want to be someone who tellsChrist that His blood still leaves us somewhat contaminated.
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candle2 Member Posts: 827 Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
AZ, I will not attack you for what you believe.
In fact, I stand by you in your right to believe it. Good luck.
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candle2 Member Posts: 827 Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Dredge, CCC, paragraph 1471:
"An indulgence is a remission before God of thetemporal punishment due to sins whose guilt has already been forgiven, which the faithful Christian who is duly disposed gains under certain prescribed conditions through the actions of the church which, as the minister of redemption, dispenses and applies with authority." Also CCC, 1471 states that indulgences can be purchasedto remove sins from those already dead. The RCC has sold indulgences in to past in order toprocure monetary gains. Indulgences were used in New York in 2008 and 2012and 2013. It is still in use by the church.
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candle2 Member Posts: 827 Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
AZ, I could not care any less about your opinions.
When you have something of importance to relay, letme know.
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candle2 Member Posts: 827 Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
AZ, you have never read that I think people should be
forced, against their will, to pledge allegiance to God. A commitment to Him must be voluntary. My posts have generally been to show that God is aloving God. And, that He intends to give eternal life to all who gives Him the opportunity to instill His character into them. In the simplest vernacular, God commands us to loveone another; to do unto others as we would have them do to us. 1 Peter 4:8 states that love covers a multitude of sins. God will give everyone the same opportunity and accessto Him, but it will be by His timeline. The vast majority of all who have ever lived will receivetheir first and only calling after the second resurrection. Even those who God directly killed in the OT will beresurrected and offered an opportunity to eternal life. Everyone who is raised under the influence of adifferent religion will be given their opportunity. Contrary to the RCC, and all her daughter churches, Godhas no desire to punish sinful humans for eternity. But, He is not going to give them eternal life in order that they can live forever in misery. How can one complain about God. If one chooses to notallow Him into his heart, and the individual believes eternal death is preferable to loving God, then he is simply free to make a choice. If one is satisfied with his choice then why complain. I have spoken out about all the evil acts committed bythe RCC and her daughters. Many who call themselves Christians expect others tolive their lives in ways that are contrary to God's laws. Many evil acts have been committed in the name ofreligion. When they do this we blame God. If a conductor is playing Mozart, and doing it badly, dowe blame Mozart or the conductor?
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candle2 Member Posts: 827 Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
AZ, in Matthew 22:37-39, a young man asked Jesus
which of the Commandments is the greatest. Jesus answered, "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God withall thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind." "This is the first and great Commandment." "And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighboras thyself." The first four Commandments are directed towards ourworship of God. The last six tells us how to treat others. In these verses Jesus stated that all (not 3, 7, or 9) of theCommandments are to be obeyed. Never has a war been started as a result of obeying thelaws and Commandments of God. Just because someone says that he or she is a Christiandoes not make it so. A true Christian will live by all of Christ's examples and laws. No sir: wars are not started by people who obey God's laws. Wars are started by those who have no respect for God, orHis laws. Humans serve one ot two masters. One cannot serve both. One does not even need to be conscious of, nor does oneneed to believe, the false master in order to serve him. All humans serve one or the other; there are no exceptions. The second one is the source of all hate, misery, and wars.
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candle2 Member Posts: 827 Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
AZ, some of your replies are ridiculous, they just don't
make any sense. What in the world make you think that God holdsdifferent people to different standards? God requires the same from Blacks that He does fromWhites. And vice versa. God expects the same level of commitment to Him fromthe rich as He does from the poor. God is not a respecter of persons. In His eyes we are allthe same. Does God require one who engages in homosexuality toturn from it? Yes. He also requires those who engage in adultery, or thosewho steal, or engage in any other sinful activity to turn away from them. He requires the same from you, me, and everyone else. An individual who has the Holy Spirit dwelling in him willcome to develop righteous character. The fruit of the Spirit consists of: love, joy, peace, faith,gentleness, goodness, long-suffering, meekness, and temperance. Those who have these characteristics deeply ingrainedwithin them do not start wars. Period. An individual who only partly commits himself to God isa double-minded individual. A double-minded person has divided loyalties/allegiances. A double-minded individual is unstable in all that He does.
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candle2 Member Posts: 827 Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Tangle, you state that you are an atheist; in fact a hard
atheist. As a hard-core atheist you cannot rely on theisticevolution to explain the origin of life. You sir, must explain in detail how the first life originated. I am not going to give you a pass on this. If you cannot explain how life originated, NO, more thanthat, you must prove how the first life began, or admit to everyone on this site that you cannot. What you believe is based on nothing but blind faith. Ithas nothing to do with real science. Life does not come from nonlife. Life coming frompreexisting life is the only fact that is verified. Observable science verifies my assertion time and timeand time again.
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candle2 Member Posts: 827 Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Tangle, I stated that you as a hard atheist must explain
how life started. You replied, "Must I, why, because you demand it? What ifI don't know." I understand that you don't know. I understand this withcrystal clear clarity. I know this; you know this; and, so does everyone else onthis forum. It might be that since you promote a certain agenda thatit would be a good idea to know exactly all that it entails. I know how life began, and I have stated so many times. You, on the other hand, have not the slightest idea of howlife began.
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candle2 Member Posts: 827 Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Tangle, it has been, and still is, a very busy time for me. I
have had very little time to reply, but here is a abbreviated reply. I do know have life started. I also know that it is quite hilarious for someone whodoesn't have the slightest idea of life's origin(s) to tell others that they are just as ignorant as he himself is. In this instance, ignorance simply refers to not knowing. Also, I do know that God exists. I know it beyond anydoubt. It is not necessary for you to agree with me. There are dozens of prophecies about Jesus in the OTthat were fulfilled in the NT. Numerous archaeological discoveries have validatedBiblical assertions. For instance Hezekiah's seal, as well as his tunnel have been unearthed. Many archeologists use the Bible as a guide in which tolead them. Compare the "Ipuwer Papyrus", which is dated to at least1250 BC, to the Book of Exodus, especially concerning the 10 plagues. The "I P" validates the Exodus account. I could list many more examples of the Bible beingverified, but at present, I don't have the time. I volunteer at two animal shelters; plus, several othersand myself break up garden plots for the elderly who cannot do so. We then plant them a garden. I am not tooting my own horn; believe me. I am simplyletting you know that sooner or later I will reply.
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candle2 Member Posts: 827 Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Tangle, exactly what research will set me straight?
Whatever it is, it hasn't set you straight. By your own admission, you are as ignorant as a rockas to how the universe was created, or to how life began. Why don't you ask your buddies AZ and Dr. Jones togive you advise? Judging by their posts, they seem to be at least twelveyears old.
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candle2 Member Posts: 827 Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Tangle, I was going to list some archaeological discoveries
that highly supports places and people mentioned in the Bible. However, I am going to post some promises made toAbraham, Isaac, and Jacob (whose name was changed by God to Israel), as well as these promises and blessings being fulfilled. God promised Abraham that he would become the fatherof many nations, ant that his kings would come out of him. He was promised that hisdescendants would be as numerousas the dust of the earth, and as the stars in the heavens. Also that his descendants would be as numerous as the sand. Abraham was also promised that a great and mightynation would come through him. And that through him all nations would be blessed. Abrahams's descendants were to spread to the East,West, North and South. Genesis 13:14-17; 15:4-5; 17:1-8; 18:18 & 22:16-18. God promised Abraham's son Isaac that He would keepsthrough him the oaths that He made to his father. This was because Abraham had kept God's Commandments, statutes, and laws. Genesis 26:2-5. Issac's son, Jacob (Israel) was blessed by his father thathis descendants would enjoy the dew from heaven and the fatness of the earth. Israel was to receive the blessings of his grandfather,Abraham. Israel was to be the father of a multitude of people, asnumerous as the dust. And that his descendants would spread to the East, West, North, and South. Israel was also promised that his descendants wouldbecome a great nation and a company of nations. Genesis 27:26-29; 28:3-4, 13-14; 35:9-15. These promises by God to Abraham were to befulfilled through Isaac, not Ishmael. Likewise the promises made to Isaac were to comethrough Jacob (Israel), not Esau. This is going to be somewhat lengthy. I must post itthroughout the day during my breaks. I am trying to make a very important point.
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candle2 Member Posts: 827 Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Tangle, Israel had twelve sons, which were the progenitors
of the twelve tribes of Israel. One of these sons was Judah, from whom the Jewsdescended. Another was Joseph, who was, in a sense, elevated to that of a forefather, along with Abraham, Isaac, and Israel. Joseph received a double blessing in that both his sonswere tribes. This brought the total to thirteen tribes. The 48th chapter of Genesis (v.18) states that these twoyoung boys were given the very name of Israel. The other Tribes are also Israelites, but the very name of Israel was bestowed upon Ephraim and Manasseh. Joseph's sons were to grow into a multitude in the midstof the earth. The youngest son, Ephraim, was to become the greaterof the two. He seed was to become a multitude (company) of nations. Manasseh was to become the single great nation. Leviticus 26 tells what God would do for Israel if theykept His Commandments and His Laws. It also states their punishment if they walked contrary to them. Israel's blessings were to be withheld till the last days. Ephraim and Manasseh were to come into prominencein the last days. Genesis 49. What was to befall all of the tribes of Israel is foretold in Genesis 49, as well as Deuteronomy 33. In Deut. 33 Joseph's blessings are state ln verses 13-17.Joseph's blessings are far above those of his brothers. Gen. 49, verse states that the chief ruler (Jesus) wouldcome from the tribe of Judah. However, the power, wealth, and might would belong toJoseph's sons-verses 22-26. Reubens, the oldest of Israel's sons, which is mostly inmodern day France, lost the birthright blessings because he slept with his father's concubine. Aside from Ephraim and Manasseh, the other tribesComprise nations such as Denmark; Ireland; Iceland; the Netherlands, etc... Great Britain is Ephraim, the Company of Nations. At it'sheight GB controlled nearly a quarter of the world's population, as well a quarter of it's land area. Ephraim consists of England, Wales, part of Scotland,Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, and Canada. Manasseh is the single greatest nation that has everexisted, and by a substantial degree. Manasseh consists of the United States and Scotland. There are no other countries (brothers) that even remotelyresembles GB an the U.S. in regards to prediction of them in the last days. Genesis states that these two brothers were to control thegates and sea lanes of their enemies. At one time they controlled the strait of Gibraltar, the Suez,Panama, Port of Dover, Cape of Good Hope, Hormuz, Hong Kong, Singapore, and others. The very fact that the Bible foretold the enormousblessings of these two brothers is convincing proof of divine revelation, and is evidence of God's control over the affairs of man.
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candle2 Member Posts: 827 Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Tangle, I think that dwise would like for me to address
this post. Not quite sure what exactly he wants me to reply to, but here goes. The great and magnificent Darwin, and certain otherswho lived during the Mid-Ninteenth Century, honestly thought that the simplest living cells were nothing more than a "jelly-like substance". They believed that the cell was destitute of protoplasms,and that it was devoid of texture and organs. Now that we know the simplest cell is more complicatedand complex than the space shuttle it makes Darwin and his sidekicks look stupid. Darwinians actually think that this was a brilliant man. We know that the human cell carries out a billion chemicalreactions every second. And these reactions are not random; they work together. Biochemist Douglas Axe puts the probability of onefunctional protein forming by chance at 1 in 10 to the 64th power. Write those zeroes out and then tell me that this is abetter chance than a living God. Douglas and Biochemist Ann Gauger affirm that withcurrent knowledge the minimum time required for one protein to evolve into another, with just small changes is 10 to the power of 27 years. By their estimate, even if the universe is 13 billion lightyears old that would not be nearly enough time for one functional protein to form, much less for one protein to evolve into another. Surely you can see how irrational Darwinians can be.
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