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Theodoric
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Message 255 of 328 (910323)
04-21-2023 9:24 AM
Reply to: Message 253 by Phat
04-21-2023 3:41 AM


Re: Cult
Just read your source. Lol.
The Federalist? Really? The author is a d list video producer with seemingly no expertise in politics or religion.
But most strikingly he never accuses leftism of being a cult but rather a religion. Also, he seems to think a religion is a cult before it grows up to be a religion.
Seemingly you agree with this guy's argument.
At no point does he posit that leftism is a cult. Did you read his screed? Or just find a title you thought would support your nutbaggery.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 256 of 328 (910325)
04-21-2023 9:35 AM
Reply to: Message 253 by Phat
04-21-2023 3:41 AM


Re: Cult
You do realize my source has 148 footnotes, don't you? Did you bother to read the source?
Do you need more sources?
Falun Gong is literally a religion.
Then again I can see that you would be attracted to a group that preaches racism and homophobia.
quote:
although it’s hard for me these days not to have some kind of visceral reaction to Falun Gong’s teachings about gay people being disgusting, interracial children having no heaven to go to, and aliens slowly taking over human bodies (not to mention the less-publicised, but widely-held, belief that Donald Trump is an angel from heaven).
The ABC is right: Falun Gong has some dangerous teachings - ABC Religion & Ethics
Go ahead watch the pretty women and flashing lights. Ignore the facts.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 262 of 328 (910404)
04-22-2023 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 258 by Phat
04-22-2023 7:29 AM


Re: G7
I know no one in favor of that. It is just a right-wing boogeyman used to fleece you rubes.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 263 of 328 (910410)
04-22-2023 12:20 PM
Reply to: Message 259 by Phat
04-22-2023 7:35 AM


Re: Cult
You are the one that brought up Shen Yun in a lame attempt to counter a legitimate argument.
And for every Fox News that you throw at me, I can just as easily throw some of CNN's gaffes right back at you.
I have no memory of saying anything about Faux gaffes. I criticize their lies. As for CNN I can not imagine I have used them other than as a source of factual news. Please provide links to anything this pertains to. Are you lying?
For the record, I will agree that the evidence you have provided points to Falun Dafas public statements and those of its leader. Any leader should be questioned and critically examined.
So you agree? Not a reputable source?
Maybe you should start with that appalling director of border security and his incompetence on the job that he swore to uphold.
Irrelevant to this conversation. Please stop with the Gish Gallop. Maybe you should stop listening to right wing lies.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 266 of 328 (910444)
04-22-2023 8:22 PM
Reply to: Message 264 by Phat
04-22-2023 3:44 PM


Re: CNN also has an Agenda.
Irrelevant, but how about you show us some instead of whining.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 271 of 328 (910664)
05-04-2023 8:50 AM
Reply to: Message 269 by Phat
05-03-2023 11:16 PM


Re: U.S. Debt Ceiling
Do you believe that there is any way that the US can or will EVER pay off the major portion of that debt?
Nope.
Should they?
Nope.
The economy tanks without debt. How do we pay for major infrastructure projects without debt?
Do you understand anything about economics?
All this debt hew and cry is just to get you rubes riled up.
Do you have a clue what govt debt really is?
Do you know who holds the vast majority of US debt? It ain't China. Do you understand how govt debt even works?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 273 of 328 (910670)
05-04-2023 3:39 PM


BRICS lol
India and Russia can't even come to an agreement on currency.
India and China have regular border clashes in which many troops are killed.
Phat is a financial genius and thinks this collection of misfits is going to dominate world finance any say now.
Exclusive: India, Russia suspend negotiations to settle trade in rupees | Reuters

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 277 of 328 (910747)
05-11-2023 9:39 AM
Reply to: Message 276 by Phat
05-11-2023 6:45 AM


Re: BRICS lol
Where does the ridiculous quote at the end come from?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 279 of 328 (910749)
05-11-2023 11:45 AM
Reply to: Message 278 by Omnivorous
05-11-2023 11:10 AM


Re: BRICS lol
I only want to see an economic collapse to see the look on the faces of the goldbugs when they realize they have no access to the precious metals they supposedly own and that the gold, silver and platinum they do possess is worthless in acquiring food and shelter.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 282 of 328 (910755)
05-11-2023 3:25 PM
Reply to: Message 280 by Phat
05-11-2023 1:53 PM


Re: Gold Bugs and Political Thugs
​Patrick Bet David (himself worth 200 million
Irrelevant. Many people that know little about the economy and international finance have lots of money. What are his credentials? Does he have any degrees? Why should I trust him more than Paul Krugman, who does not put out sensationalistic videos? Tell us what he claims. We are not going to watch his video. You realize that is how he gets paid?
And just so you know, these videos are well made and explain the situation as well as any economics professor could.
Well-made is irrelevant and actually a red flag. No, they cannot explain it better than an economics professor. They are feeding your biases.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 286 of 328 (910762)
05-12-2023 10:02 AM
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05-11-2023 6:45 AM


Re: BRICS lol
I have tried googling the quote. It does not seem to exist on the internet. Is it a quote from you?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 290 of 328 (910766)
05-12-2023 1:32 PM
Reply to: Message 287 by Phat
05-12-2023 12:31 PM


Re: Gold Bugs and Political Thugs
The US did not possess the gold to back all of the dollars in circulation. They never have. You might want to actually look up the actual history of the gold standard and why it no longer exists. Bretton Woods was not an actual gold standard, it was a gold exchange standard.
Where do you get these petrodollars? Can you pay your condo fees with them? Do you really think your gibberish actually said anything?
Oh, yes I do know a fair bit about the history of finance and economics. Also, I listen to the experts. Not grifters soaking rubes like you.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 291 of 328 (910767)
05-12-2023 1:37 PM
Reply to: Message 288 by Phat
05-12-2023 12:37 PM


More gibberish from Phat
It is a stupid comment not based on actual economics. I am not an economist. I find it is better to listen to what the consensus is among experts rather than some random yahoo on the internet.
If you have no idea who Paul Krugman is maybe you should not be opining on economics.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 293 of 328 (910770)
05-12-2023 5:13 PM
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05-12-2023 1:59 PM


Re: More gibberish from Phat
My point is that he should be able to look Krugman up before he responds and realize that Krugman is a legitimate, well-respected economist. My wording was lacking.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 294 of 328 (910781)
05-13-2023 4:12 PM
Reply to: Message 288 by Phat
05-12-2023 12:37 PM


How do we pay for trade?
The US main export to the rest of the world in exchange for their goods is US Dollars.
How else do you propose goods be paid for? You do realize that the US govt is not sending the dollars(which are not piles of dollar bills) but US corporations, companies and individuals, do you not? Why are you do so against capitalism and free trade? Are you a communist?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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