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Message 1709 of 1864 (910081)
04-16-2023 11:07 AM
Reply to: Message 1667 by Dredge
04-11-2023 1:24 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Dredge, the RCC insists that Mary is free from the
original sin-immaculate conception, CCC paragraph 491.
She, according to them, needed no sacrifice for her sins.
In other words, she is sinless.
1 John 1:8 "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive
ourselves, and the truth is not in us."
Romans 3:23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the
glory of God."
Luke 1:46-47 "And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the
Lord."
"And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour."

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Message 1712 of 1864 (910096)
04-16-2023 12:34 PM
Reply to: Message 1667 by Dredge
04-11-2023 1:24 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Dredge, the RCC does not believe that Christ's blood is
capable of cleansing a Christian from all sins. It takes
the RCC to do that.
CCC, paragraph 1030: "All who die in God's grace and
friendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured
of their eternal salvation, but after death they undergo
purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to
enter the joy of heaven."
Purification refers to cleansing of contaminants, in this
case sin.
Paragraph 1032 prescribes prayers for the dead.
Isaiah 53:5 states that with His (Jesus) stripes we are
healed.
1 John 1:7 "But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light,
we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of
Jesus Christ, His Son, cleanseth us from all sins.
Colossians 1:14 "In whom we have redemption through
His blood, even the forgiveness of sins."
I certainly would not want to be someone who tells
Christ that His blood still leaves us somewhat contaminated.

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Message 1713 of 1864 (910097)
04-16-2023 12:39 PM
Reply to: Message 1711 by AZPaul3
04-16-2023 11:37 AM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
AZ, I will not attack you for what you believe.
In fact, I stand by you in your right to believe it.
Good luck.

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Message 1718 of 1864 (910108)
04-16-2023 3:46 PM
Reply to: Message 1667 by Dredge
04-11-2023 1:24 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Dredge, CCC, paragraph 1471:
"An indulgence is a remission before God of the
temporal punishment due to sins whose guilt has
already been forgiven, which the faithful Christian who
is duly disposed gains under certain prescribed
conditions through the actions of the church which, as
the minister of redemption, dispenses and applies with
authority."
Also CCC, 1471 states that indulgences can be purchased
to remove sins from those already dead.
The RCC has sold indulgences in to past in order to
procure monetary gains.
Indulgences were used in New York in 2008 and 2012
and 2013.
It is still in use by the church.

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Message 1719 of 1864 (910109)
04-16-2023 3:49 PM
Reply to: Message 1714 by AZPaul3
04-16-2023 1:34 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
AZ, I could not care any less about your opinions.
When you have something of importance to relay, let
me know.

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Message 1721 of 1864 (910112)
04-17-2023 7:47 AM
Reply to: Message 1714 by AZPaul3
04-16-2023 1:34 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
AZ, you have never read that I think people should be
forced, against their will, to pledge allegiance to God.
A commitment to Him must be voluntary.
My posts have generally been to show that God is a
loving God. And, that He intends to give eternal life to
all who gives Him the opportunity to instill His
character into them.
In the simplest vernacular, God commands us to love
one another; to do unto others as we would have them
do to us.
1 Peter 4:8 states that love covers a multitude of sins.
God will give everyone the same opportunity and access
to Him, but it will be by His timeline.
The vast majority of all who have ever lived will receive
their first and only calling after the second resurrection.
Even those who God directly killed in the OT will be
resurrected and offered an opportunity to eternal life.
Everyone who is raised under the influence of a
different religion will be given their opportunity.
Contrary to the RCC, and all her daughter churches, God
has no desire to punish sinful humans for eternity. But, He
is not going to give them eternal life in order that they can
live forever in misery.
How can one complain about God. If one chooses to not
allow Him into his heart, and the individual believes
eternal death is preferable to loving God, then he is
simply free to make a choice.
If one is satisfied with his choice then why complain.
I have spoken out about all the evil acts committed by
the RCC and her daughters.
Many who call themselves Christians expect others to
live their lives in ways that are contrary to God's laws.
Many evil acts have been committed in the name of
religion.
When they do this we blame God.
If a conductor is playing Mozart, and doing it badly, do
we blame Mozart or the conductor?

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Message 1728 of 1864 (910153)
04-18-2023 8:24 AM
Reply to: Message 1725 by AZPaul3
04-17-2023 4:31 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
AZ, in Matthew 22:37-39, a young man asked Jesus
which of the Commandments is the greatest.
Jesus answered, "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with
all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind."
"This is the first and great Commandment."
"And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor
as thyself."
The first four Commandments are directed towards our
worship of God.
The last six tells us how to treat others.
In these verses Jesus stated that all (not 3, 7, or 9) of the
Commandments are to be obeyed.
Never has a war been started as a result of obeying the
laws and Commandments of God.
Just because someone says that he or she is a Christian
does not make it so.
A true Christian will live by all of Christ's examples and laws.
No sir: wars are not started by people who obey God's laws.
Wars are started by those who have no respect for God, or
His laws.
Humans serve one ot two masters. One cannot serve both.
One does not even need to be conscious of, nor does one
need to believe, the false master in order to serve him.
All humans serve one or the other; there are no exceptions.
The second one is the source of all hate, misery, and wars.

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Message 1748 of 1864 (910201)
04-19-2023 8:13 AM
Reply to: Message 1730 by AZPaul3
04-18-2023 12:25 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
AZ, some of your replies are ridiculous, they just don't
make any sense.
What in the world make you think that God holds
different people to different standards?
God requires the same from Blacks that He does from
Whites. And vice versa.
God expects the same level of commitment to Him from
the rich as He does from the poor.
God is not a respecter of persons. In His eyes we are all
the same.
Does God require one who engages in homosexuality to
turn from it? Yes.
He also requires those who engage in adultery, or those
who steal, or engage in any other sinful activity to turn
away from them.
He requires the same from you, me, and everyone else.
An individual who has the Holy Spirit dwelling in him will
come to develop righteous character.
The fruit of the Spirit consists of: love, joy, peace, faith,
gentleness, goodness, long-suffering, meekness, and
temperance.
Those who have these characteristics deeply ingrained
within them do not start wars. Period.
An individual who only partly commits himself to God is
a double-minded individual.
A double-minded person has divided loyalties/allegiances.
A double-minded individual is unstable in all that He does.

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Message 1785 of 1864 (910324)
04-21-2023 9:32 AM
Reply to: Message 1766 by Tangle
04-20-2023 9:59 AM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Tangle, you state that you are an atheist; in fact a hard
atheist.
As a hard-core atheist you cannot rely on theistic
evolution to explain the origin of life.
You sir, must explain in detail how the first life originated.
I am not going to give you a pass on this.
If you cannot explain how life originated, NO, more than
that, you must prove how the first life began, or admit to
everyone on this site that you cannot.
What you believe is based on nothing but blind faith. It
has nothing to do with real science.
Life does not come from nonlife. Life coming from
preexisting life is the only fact that is verified.
Observable science verifies my assertion time and time
and time again.

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Message 1817 of 1864 (910597)
04-28-2023 8:15 AM
Reply to: Message 1787 by Tangle
04-21-2023 10:04 AM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Tangle, I stated that you as a hard atheist must explain
how life started.
You replied, "Must I, why, because you demand it? What if
I don't know."
I understand that you don't know. I understand this with
crystal clear clarity.
I know this; you know this; and, so does everyone else on
this forum.
It might be that since you promote a certain agenda that
it would be a good idea to know exactly all that it entails.
I know how life began, and I have stated so many times.
You, on the other hand, have not the slightest idea of how
life began.

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Message 1820 of 1864 (910726)
05-09-2023 9:44 AM
Reply to: Message 1818 by Tangle
04-28-2023 6:54 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Tangle, it has been, and still is, a very busy time for me. I
have had very little time to reply, but here is a abbreviated
reply.
I do know have life started.
I also know that it is quite hilarious for someone who
doesn't have the slightest idea of life's origin(s) to tell
others that they are just as ignorant as he himself is.
In this instance, ignorance simply refers to not knowing.
Also, I do know that God exists. I know it beyond any
doubt. It is not necessary for you to agree with me.
There are dozens of prophecies about Jesus in the OT
that were fulfilled in the NT.
Numerous archaeological discoveries have validated
Biblical assertions. For instance Hezekiah's seal, as well
as his tunnel have been unearthed.
Many archeologists use the Bible as a guide in which to
lead them.
Compare the "Ipuwer Papyrus", which is dated to at least
1250 BC, to the Book of Exodus, especially concerning
the 10 plagues.
The "I P" validates the Exodus account.
I could list many more examples of the Bible being
verified, but at present, I don't have the time.
I volunteer at two animal shelters; plus, several others
and myself break up garden plots for the elderly who
cannot do so. We then plant them a garden.
I am not tooting my own horn; believe me. I am simply
letting you know that sooner or later I will reply.

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Message 1824 of 1864 (910812)
05-16-2023 8:56 AM
Reply to: Message 1822 by Tangle
05-09-2023 5:26 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Tangle, exactly what research will set me straight?
Whatever it is, it hasn't set you straight.
By your own admission, you are as ignorant as a rock
as to how the universe was created, or to how life
began.
Why don't you ask your buddies AZ and Dr. Jones to
give you advise?
Judging by their posts, they seem to be at least twelve
years old.

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Message 1830 of 1864 (910839)
05-19-2023 10:34 AM
Reply to: Message 1822 by Tangle
05-09-2023 5:26 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Tangle, I was going to list some archaeological discoveries
that highly supports places and people mentioned in the
Bible.
However, I am going to post some promises made to
Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (whose name was changed
by God to Israel), as well as these promises and blessings
being fulfilled.
God promised Abraham that he would become the father
of many nations, ant that his kings would come out of him.
He was promised that hisdescendants would be as numerous
as the dust of the earth, and as the stars in the heavens. Also
that his descendants would be as numerous as the sand.
Abraham was also promised that a great and mighty
nation would come through him. And that through him
all nations would be blessed.
Abrahams's descendants were to spread to the East,
West, North and South.
Genesis 13:14-17; 15:4-5; 17:1-8; 18:18 & 22:16-18.
God promised Abraham's son Isaac that He would keeps
through him the oaths that He made to his father. This
was because Abraham had kept God's Commandments,
statutes, and laws. Genesis 26:2-5.
Issac's son, Jacob (Israel) was blessed by his father that
his descendants would enjoy the dew from heaven and
the fatness of the earth.
Israel was to receive the blessings of his grandfather,
Abraham.
Israel was to be the father of a multitude of people, as
numerous as the dust. And that his descendants would
spread to the East, West, North, and South.
Israel was also promised that his descendants would
become a great nation and a company of nations.
Genesis 27:26-29; 28:3-4, 13-14; 35:9-15.
These promises by God to Abraham were to be
fulfilled through Isaac, not Ishmael.
Likewise the promises made to Isaac were to come
through Jacob (Israel), not Esau.
This is going to be somewhat lengthy. I must post it
throughout the day during my breaks.
I am trying to make a very important point.

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Message 1832 of 1864 (910842)
05-19-2023 2:47 PM
Reply to: Message 1822 by Tangle
05-09-2023 5:26 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Tangle, Israel had twelve sons, which were the progenitors
of the twelve tribes of Israel.
One of these sons was Judah, from whom the Jews
descended. Another was Joseph, who was, in a sense,
elevated to that of a forefather, along with Abraham,
Isaac, and Israel.
Joseph received a double blessing in that both his sons
were tribes. This brought the total to thirteen tribes.
The 48th chapter of Genesis (v.18) states that these two
young boys were given the very name of Israel. The other
Tribes are also Israelites, but the very name of Israel
was bestowed upon Ephraim and Manasseh.
Joseph's sons were to grow into a multitude in the midst
of the earth.
The youngest son, Ephraim, was to become the greater
of the two. He seed was to become a multitude (company)
of nations.
Manasseh was to become the single great nation.
Leviticus 26 tells what God would do for Israel if they
kept His Commandments and His Laws. It also states
their punishment if they walked contrary to them.
Israel's blessings were to be withheld till the last days.
Ephraim and Manasseh were to come into prominence
in the last days. Genesis 49. What was to befall all of the
tribes of Israel is foretold in Genesis 49, as well as
Deuteronomy 33.
In Deut. 33 Joseph's blessings are state ln verses 13-17.
Joseph's blessings are far above those of his brothers.
Gen. 49, verse states that the chief ruler (Jesus) would
come from the tribe of Judah.
However, the power, wealth, and might would belong to
Joseph's sons-verses 22-26.
Reubens, the oldest of Israel's sons, which is mostly in
modern day France, lost the birthright blessings because
he slept with his father's concubine.
Aside from Ephraim and Manasseh, the other tribes
Comprise nations such as Denmark; Ireland; Iceland;
the Netherlands, etc...
Great Britain is Ephraim, the Company of Nations. At it's
height GB controlled nearly a quarter of the world's
population, as well a quarter of it's land area.
Ephraim consists of England, Wales, part of Scotland,
Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, and Canada.
Manasseh is the single greatest nation that has ever
existed, and by a substantial degree.
Manasseh consists of the United States and Scotland.
There are no other countries (brothers) that even remotely
resembles GB an the U.S. in regards to prediction of them
in the last days.
Genesis states that these two brothers were to control the
gates and sea lanes of their enemies.
At one time they controlled the strait of Gibraltar, the Suez,
Panama, Port of Dover, Cape of Good Hope, Hormuz, Hong
Kong, Singapore, and others.
The very fact that the Bible foretold the enormous
blessings of these two brothers is convincing proof of
divine revelation, and is evidence of God's control over
the affairs of man.

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Message 1835 of 1864 (910846)
05-20-2023 1:55 PM
Reply to: Message 1822 by Tangle
05-09-2023 5:26 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Tangle, I think that dwise would like for me to address
this post. Not quite sure what exactly he wants me to
reply to, but here goes.
The great and magnificent Darwin, and certain others
who lived during the Mid-Ninteenth Century, honestly
thought that the simplest living cells were nothing more
than a "jelly-like substance".
They believed that the cell was destitute of protoplasms,
and that it was devoid of texture and organs.
Now that we know the simplest cell is more complicated
and complex than the space shuttle it makes Darwin and
his sidekicks look stupid.
Darwinians actually think that this was a brilliant man.
We know that the human cell carries out a billion chemical
reactions every second. And these reactions are not
random; they work together.
Biochemist Douglas Axe puts the probability of one
functional protein forming by chance at 1 in 10 to the 64th
power.
Write those zeroes out and then tell me that this is a
better chance than a living God.
Douglas and Biochemist Ann Gauger affirm that with
current knowledge the minimum time required for one
protein to evolve into another, with just small changes
is 10 to the power of 27 years.
By their estimate, even if the universe is 13 billion light
years old that would not be nearly enough time for one
functional protein to form, much less for one protein
to evolve into another.
Surely you can see how irrational Darwinians can be.

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