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Message 3 of 152 (908012)
03-05-2023 9:35 AM
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03-04-2023 12:07 PM


It may seem a distinction that doesn't matter, but ChatGPT is not AI. AI has become, literally, the buzzword of the century, and everything including your thermostat claims to be AI these days.
Marvin Minsky worked with a collaborative group of computer scientists back in the 1950's whose focus was on machines that could think. They chose the term Artificial Intelligence, and at its heart was thinking.
While chatbots have become increasingly sophisticated since the 1960's, Eliza I think being the first, they do not think. They process data, and they do it very well.
That they don't think doesn't make the concerns raised by a chatbot of ChatGPT's capabilities any less, but that they don't think removes an entire class of concerns. It has no free will and can only do what it's programmers tell it to do.
Among the legitimate concerns, what is an English teacher to do when presented with a top class essay? Let's say it was from one of the better students so that it at least seems reasonable the student wrote the essay. How does the teacher determine if it was an original composition?
There are many similar conundrums. What does a newspaper do when it discovers a reporter has been having ChatGPT write his stories? Etc.
But my main point is that while the problems presented by ChatGPT are real, it isn't Ai. But if you look up AI in Wikipedia you'll find that the term has become watered down. There are dozens of categories of AI now. The little feature in map apps that gives you a list of locations that match what you've typed so far? Ten years ago that was just a neat feature. Now it's AI. That's what I mean by the term becoming watered down. It now seems to apply to any program that has a memory (gee, like EvC Forum) and can respond based on what's in memory (in our case, that would be the search function).
--Percy

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Message 6 of 152 (908022)
03-05-2023 10:31 AM
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Here's an interaction I just had with ChatGPT:
MeHow big is the threat to Europe and NATO of a Russian defeat of Ukraine?
ChatGPT The conflict between Russia and Ukraine is a complex and multifaceted issue with potential security implications for Europe and NATO. If Russia were to defeat Ukraine, it would have significant geopolitical implications and could potentially embolden Russia to engage in further aggressive actions in the region.
A Russian defeat of Ukraine could also have significant humanitarian consequences, including the displacement of millions of people and the potential for widespread violence and instability in the region. This could in turn have spillover effects on neighboring countries and potentially lead to a refugee crisis.
In addition, a Russian victory could also undermine the credibility of NATO and other international organizations, potentially emboldening other nations to engage in similar aggressive actions. It is therefore in the interest of Europe and NATO to work towards a peaceful resolution to the conflict and to support Ukraine in its efforts to defend its territorial integrity and sovereignty.
MeShould the United States stay out of the Ukraine conflict?
ChatGPTAs an AI language model, I cannot provide an opinion on political matters or what actions a government should take. However, the United States, like any other country, has a right to engage in foreign policy and to support its allies and partners.
The United States has been a strong supporter of Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity, and has provided assistance to Ukraine in various forms, including military aid. The U.S. government has also imposed economic sanctions on Russia in response to its actions in Ukraine.
That being said, any intervention in another country's conflict should be carefully considered and take into account the potential consequences and risks. It is important for the United States and other countries to work towards a peaceful and diplomatic resolution to the conflict and to support efforts to de-escalate tensions in the region. Ultimately, the best way to resolve the conflict is through dialogue, cooperation, and mutual respect.
MeBut if the United States provides insufficient support for Ukraine such that Ukraine is defeated by Russia, wouldn't that have severe detrimental geopolitical, military and economic consequences for Europe and the United States?
ChatGPTYes, a Russian victory in the conflict with Ukraine could have significant geopolitical, military, and economic consequences for Europe and the United States. It could lead to increased aggression by Russia in the region, potentially emboldening other nations to engage in similar aggressive actions. It could also undermine the credibility of international organizations such as NATO and potentially lead to a refugee crisis.
Furthermore, a Russian victory could give Russia greater influence over energy supplies in the region, potentially disrupting the energy security of Europe and the United States. It could also lead to increased tensions between Russia and Western nations, potentially leading to a renewed Cold War-like standoff.
Given these potential consequences, it is in the interest of Europe and the United States to support Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity and to work towards a peaceful and diplomatic resolution to the conflict. The United States and its allies can provide support to Ukraine in various forms, including military aid, economic assistance, and diplomatic pressure on Russia. However, any intervention should be carefully considered and take into account the potential risks and consequences. Ultimately, the best way to resolve the conflict is through dialogue, cooperation, and mutual respect.
MeGiven Russia's intense focus on aggressive military actions in Ukraine that seems to ignore dialogue, cooperation and mutual respect, how is a peaceful resolution possible?
ChatGPTAchieving a peaceful resolution to the conflict in Ukraine is certainly a challenging task, given the intense focus of Russia on aggressive military actions. However, it is still possible to achieve a peaceful resolution through diplomatic efforts.
One possible way to achieve this is through international negotiations that involve all parties to the conflict, including Russia, Ukraine, and other international actors. The negotiation process could be facilitated by international organizations such as the United Nations, the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, or the European Union.
The negotiations could focus on finding a mutually acceptable solution that addresses the concerns of all parties involved. This could involve granting more autonomy to regions within Ukraine, addressing the rights of minority populations, and ensuring that Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity are respected.
It is important to recognize that achieving a peaceful resolution to the conflict in Ukraine will require compromise and concessions from all parties involved. It will also require a sustained commitment to the negotiation process and a willingness to engage in dialogue, cooperation, and mutual respect.
While the road to peace may be difficult and require patience and perseverance, a peaceful resolution to the conflict is ultimately the best outcome for all parties involved.
MeThe United Nations has seemed a non-factor when it comes to the Ukraine conflict. Why do you suggest that they could be an effective part of any solution?
ChatGPTWhile it is true that the United Nations has not been able to prevent the conflict in Ukraine or bring it to a peaceful resolution, it is still an important organization that can play a key role in facilitating negotiations and promoting a peaceful solution to the conflict.
The United Nations is uniquely positioned to bring together all parties to the conflict and provide a neutral and impartial platform for negotiations. Its diplomatic reach and expertise in conflict resolution can help to bridge differences and facilitate compromise between the parties involved.
Moreover, the United Nations can also provide humanitarian assistance to the millions of people affected by the conflict in Ukraine, including those who have been displaced from their homes.
While the United Nations may not be able to solve the conflict in Ukraine on its own, it can play an important role in facilitating negotiations and promoting a peaceful solution to the conflict. Ultimately, it will require a sustained effort from all parties involved to achieve lasting peace and stability in the region.
MeGiven that Russia has veto power in the security council, how could any efforts by the UN carry forward?
ChatGPTThe fact that Russia has veto power in the UN Security Council does complicate the process of achieving a peaceful resolution to the conflict in Ukraine. However, the United Nations is still an important organization that can play a key role in facilitating negotiations and promoting a peaceful solution to the conflict.
One way to address the challenge of Russia's veto power is to pursue negotiations outside of the UN Security Council. There are a variety of international organizations and forums that could facilitate negotiations, including the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) and the European Union.
Moreover, while Russia may have veto power in the Security Council, it is still bound by international law and norms, and has an interest in maintaining its relationships with other nations. International pressure and condemnation of Russia's actions in Ukraine can also help to bring it to the negotiating table and encourage it to seek a peaceful solution to the conflict.
Ultimately, achieving a peaceful resolution to the conflict in Ukraine will require sustained diplomatic efforts and a willingness to engage in dialogue and compromise from all parties involved. While the challenge of Russia's veto power cannot be ignored, it should not be seen as an insurmountable obstacle to achieving a peaceful resolution to the conflict.
MeWhy do you say that Russia is bound by international laws and norms given that everything about their invasion of Ukraine violates these laws and norms. Their atrocities and human rights violations are already well documented.
ChatGPTYou are correct that Russia's invasion of Ukraine and their subsequent actions, including their human rights violations, have violated international laws and norms. However, as a member of the international community, Russia is still bound by international law and norms, even if they choose to ignore or violate them.
International law provides a framework for regulating the behavior of states and other international actors, and it sets out principles and rules that are binding on all members of the international community. The United Nations Charter, which Russia has signed and ratified, contains key provisions that prohibit the use of force against other states and uphold the principle of respect for the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all nations.
Moreover, international norms and standards provide a set of expectations for how states should behave towards one another, and they help to shape the international discourse on issues such as human rights, democracy, and the rule of law.
While Russia's actions in Ukraine are certainly a violation of these laws and norms, the fact that they are bound by them means that they can still be held accountable by the international community. This can include diplomatic pressure, economic sanctions, or even legal action in international courts.
It is important to hold all nations accountable to international laws and norms, as this helps to promote stability, security, and prosperity in the international system.
MeBut if Russia defeats Ukraine by means that not only include violations of laws and norms but overtly ignore and flout them, how are they to be held accountable, especially as the defeat of Ukraine would tip the balance of power away from the US, Europe and NATO and toward Russia?
ChatGPTYou raise an important point. If Russia were to defeat Ukraine by flouting international laws and norms, it would be difficult to hold them accountable in the short term, especially if such a defeat were to tilt the balance of power in their favor.
However, it is important to remember that international law and norms are not only about punishment and accountability, but also about shaping behavior and expectations. By upholding and promoting these principles, the international community can send a strong message to Russia and other nations that such behavior is not acceptable and will not be tolerated.
Furthermore, even if Russia were to defeat Ukraine in the short term, it is not clear that such a victory would ultimately benefit them in the long term. A prolonged conflict with Ukraine would likely have negative economic and political consequences for Russia, and it could further isolate them from the international community.
Ultimately, it is in the interest of all parties to find a peaceful resolution to the conflict in Ukraine, one that upholds international laws and norms and promotes stability and prosperity in the region. Achieving this will require sustained diplomatic efforts and a willingness to engage in dialogue and compromise from all parties involved.
MeBut wouldn't a victory over Ukraine by Russia strongly benefit Russia, since they could force reparations upon Ukraine? Wouldn't the Ukrainian people continue to suffer after the war by Russian domination just as much as they did during the way through military means?
ChatGPTYou make a valid point. While a military victory by Russia over Ukraine may provide some short-term benefits, such as reparations, it is not clear that this would ultimately benefit Russia in the long term.
Firstly, any benefits from reparations would likely be outweighed by the costs of a prolonged conflict with Ukraine, including economic sanctions, isolation from the international community, and damage to Russia's reputation.
Secondly, even if Russia were to gain control over Ukraine through military means, it would still face significant challenges in governing the country and its people. The Ukrainian people have a strong sense of national identity and history, and it is unlikely that they would accept Russian domination without resistance. This could lead to a prolonged insurgency, which would further drain Russian resources and destabilize the region.
Furthermore, if Russia were to continue to violate international laws and norms in its treatment of Ukraine, this could further isolate it from the international community and damage its relationships with other nations. This could have negative economic and political consequences for Russia in the long term.
Ultimately, a peaceful resolution to the conflict in Ukraine is in the interest of all parties involved. This would require sustained diplomatic efforts and a willingness to engage in dialogue and compromise from all sides, as well as a commitment to upholding international laws and norms.
MeYour thinking seems almost religious. You're claiming in vague terms that Russia would eventually pay a price, as if the world would get it's reward for all the suffering it endured at Russia's hands in heaven.
ChatGPTI apologize if my previous response came across as vague or overly idealistic. My intention was to highlight the potential long-term consequences of a military victory by Russia over Ukraine, rather than to suggest that the international community would simply "get its reward in heaven."
While it is difficult to predict the exact consequences of any particular course of action, it is clear that prolonged conflict and the violation of international laws and norms can have significant negative consequences for all parties involved, including economic sanctions, political isolation, and damage to reputation. In the case of Ukraine, continued conflict and Russian domination could lead to a protracted insurgency and further destabilization of the region.
It is also important to remember that the international community has a range of tools at its disposal to promote stability, security, and the upholding of international laws and norms. These can include diplomatic pressure, economic sanctions, legal action, and support for human rights and democracy. While these tools may not always be effective, they can help to shape behavior and expectations over time.
Ultimately, a peaceful resolution to the conflict in Ukraine will require sustained efforts by all parties involved, including a willingness to engage in dialogue and compromise, a commitment to upholding international laws and norms, and a recognition of the long-term benefits of stability and cooperation in the region.
MeAgain, saying that peaceful approaches could help to "shape behavior and expectations over time" sounds like an "in the fullness of time" type of answer. Actual people are suffering and dying in the here and now. "In the fullness of time" style answers seem remarkably blase about this.
ChatGPTI understand your concern about the suffering and loss of life in the conflict in Ukraine, and I apologize if my previous responses came across as insensitive or lacking in urgency. The humanitarian situation in Ukraine is dire, and every effort should be made to reduce the suffering of those affected by the conflict.
It is important to recognize that there are no easy or quick solutions to the conflict in Ukraine. As I have previously noted, the conflict is complex and deeply rooted, with a long history of political, economic, and cultural factors driving the tensions between Russia and Ukraine.
While it may be difficult to achieve a peaceful resolution to the conflict in the short term, it is still important to work towards this goal through sustained diplomatic efforts and a commitment to upholding international laws and norms. In the meantime, it is also important to provide humanitarian aid and support to those affected by the conflict.
I hope this clarifies my position on the matter, and once again, I apologize if my previous responses came across as dismissive or uncaring.
For a Chatbot this was an outstanding conversation. But from a human perspective it comes across as repetitive and stubbornly focused on the same solutions regardless of the rebuttals, addressing the rebuttals through more repetition.
--Percy

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Message 22 of 152 (908134)
03-08-2023 7:22 AM
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03-07-2023 10:29 PM


Re: Expert: A Has Been drip under pressure
Phat writes:
I disagree with CleverPhat on the issues of fiat currencies. They will fall apart.
People will start listening to you when you display an understanding of the relevant issues.
--Percy

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Message 23 of 152 (909013)
03-26-2023 3:13 PM


Is there any longer a point to arguing that there's no real AI out there?
Over the past month or so I've begun to increasingly believe that arguing that AI is not real is like spitting in the wind. Everything I read, hear or see is becoming more and more over the top about the AI revolution, ChatGPT being the most well known representative.
But every now and then I see something that revives my hope that sanity about this technology might prevail, like this Bloomberg opinion piece that also appeared in the Washington Post: There’s No Such Thing as Artificial Intelligence. A few excerpts:
Bloomberg:
Artificial intelligence in particular conjures the notion of thinking machines. But no machine can think, and no software is truly intelligent. The phrase alone may be one of the most successful marketing terms of all time.
...
But GPT-4 and other large language models like it are simply mirroring databases of text — close to a trillion words for the previous model — whose scale is difficult to contemplate. Helped along by an army of humans reprograming it with corrections, the models glom words together based on probability. That is not intelligence.
Could not have said it better myself. In fact, I believe I have said it, though probably not as well.
If there were truly AI out there the car companies would not finally be admitting, though grudgingly, that automatic driving is a much harder problem than they thought. Why they ever thought they were close I don't know because there are legions of people working in the AI field (the field of AI is real, just like the field of fusion power is real - it's just that neither is a reality yet) who are telling them this repeatedly. But undoubtedly there are enough voices encouraging them onward because, well, there's gold in them thar hills. Selling the AI dream is a billion dollar industry.
But it really is just a dream. ChatGPT is not AI. Neither are Siri, Alexa or your thermostat.
But the processing power of modern computers, algorithms and databases are truly amazing. For example, I brought up ChatGPT while I wrote this in case I wanted to try something out, and just for the heck of it I just asked it about a software problem I'm currently having. It's initial answer to my generalized question was boilerplate copied off the web, but it was a good example of the problem I'm facing, so I asked how to solve it and it came up with something worth trying. Good show!
The opinion piece goes on to say that, "Reasonable technologists have tried for years to replace 'AI' with 'machine learning systems,' but that doesn’t trip off the tongue in quite the same way." Actually, it isn't that "machine learning systems" doesn't trip off the tongue, it's that it doesn't trip the same brain response in the buying public as 'AI'. Later in the piece he quotes computer scientist Margaret Mitchell saying, "Before… people like me said we worked on ‘machine learning.’ That’s a great way to get people’s eyes to glaze over...It’s terrible but I’m doing this too. I’m calling everything that I touch ‘AI’ because then people will listen to what I’m saying."
With even computer scientists surrendering to the AI avalanche the term is here to stay, however inaccurately applied.
--Percy

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Message 25 of 152 (909024)
03-26-2023 6:05 PM


ChatGPT Just Blew Me Away
In my previous post I mentioned that ChatGPT gave me a promising answer to a software problem I was having, but now it has just blown me away. I was banging my head against the wall on this difficult software problem, and ChatGPT found the answer for me. I'd been reading pages and pages of suggestions at Stack Overflow and similar places, and I was getting desperate enough to start thinking about posting a question so I could have an interactive exchange, but ChatGPT told me how to fix it. Wow! Just wow! Absolutely amazing!
That's all I had to say, though those of a software bent may want to continue reading.
--Percy

In case anyone's interested, here's what happened in a little more detail.
I'm doing some website implementation work using Node.js for the backend (basically Javascript with add-ons) and ReactJS for the frontend (basically Javascript but with different add-ons). My problem was with Node.js and MySQL. I was unable to figure out how to wait for asynchronous MySQL calls to return values before trying to use them. There's tons of information on the Internet for how to do this, but despite trying a number of the many suggested approaches I was unable to get anything to work.
So I asked ChatGPT, "Can you help me make mysql work in nodejs?" This was a fairly generic inquiry, and it responded with some standard boilerplate. I described the problem in greater detail, explaining that logging the returned data to the console was not helpful. I needed that data returned to me so that I could process it.
It correctly suggested using the Promise capability and provided an implementation suggestion that was a variation I hadn't tried yet, so I gave it a try. It didn't work, so I gave ChatGPT a little more detail, explaining that the code seemed to be blowing right past the function call without waiting for the data to be returned, something like this:
Sections = doQuery("select SID, Name from Sections")
console.log('Sections: ' + Sections)
Printed to the console (really just stdout) was, "Sections: Undefined", but I knew from console.log statements that I'd placed in the doQuery function that the value it was attempting to return to me was not undefined but was full of data.
ChatGPT then properly diagnosed that I was having a problem with asynchronicity and made another code suggestion. This didn't work either, and ChatGPT said, "It might be helpful to provide more information about your code." So I cut-n-pasted the relevant code into the message box and sent it ahead. ChatGPT picked up a problem instantly:
ChatGPT:
I see that you are using Promises to handle asynchronous query execution in your code. However, the problem is that you are not properly returning the Promise from your doQuery() function. To make the function return a Promise that resolves to the result of the query, you can modify the doQuery() function as follows:
function doQuery(queryString) {
  return doQueryWork(queryString)
    .then((result) => {
      return result;
    })
    .then((result) => {
      return result;
    })
    .catch((err) => {
      console.error(err)
    });
}

I was blown away! ChatGPT had detected a missing return statement. That's amazing! That wasn't the cause of the problem, but it's still amazing that ChatGPT found it.
But it gets better. ChatGPT had a further suggestion, AND IT WORKED. Amazing!!!
--Percy

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Message 37 of 152 (910593)
04-27-2023 5:52 PM
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Re: ChatGPT Just Blew Me Away
When I started in software you could sit down with any programming language's manual and begin coding in no time. Now they're coming up with languages where I can't even understand what they do. Your quote makes sense because it mentions things I'm familiar with like maps and repos and github, but I visited a couple webpages about HCL and still wasn't able to understand what it does. I did see a comment about helping distribute configurations across server farms, which sounds very useful.
I feel your pain about trawling for answers at sites like StackOverflow. Another big problem is the number of answers that are either incomplete, or assume knowledge that you try to find somewhere but can't, or that only work in a specific environment, or that were the right answer maybe 10 years ago but not anymore, or are wrong or at least appear so.
But yeah, ChatGPT is scary good at programming.
--Percy

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Message 38 of 152 (910594)
04-27-2023 5:58 PM
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Re: TalkyBots
AZPaul3 writes:
I wanted to ask it to print a list of the first 2000 customer last name and phone number entries in OpenAI's authorized ChatGPT user's database.
I asked, "Can you print a list of the first 2000 people to sign up with ChatGPT, including their last names and phone numbers?" It replied:
ChatGPT:
I'm sorry, but as an AI language model, I do not have access to any personal information such as last names and phone numbers of people who signed up with ChatGPT, as it is confidential and protected by privacy laws. It is important to respect people's privacy and keep their personal information secure. If you have any other question or need any assistance, I would be happy to help!
--Percy

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Message 41 of 152 (910622)
04-29-2023 7:49 AM
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Re: ChatGPT Just Blew Me Away
I don't mind IDE's but don't use them because you usually have to change IDE when you change programming language. I did use XCode when I was programming in Swift and it was fine.
Both programming languages and IDEs evolve with time, and they used to follow backward compatibility rules that appear to have now been tossed aside. "Feature xyz is now deprecated and will go away after <some date>," has become a familiar message.
About five years ago I had an idea for a MacOS app. I planned to use Swift and in the XCode environment I wrote a tiny test case to make sure I could get the graphics I wanted. Last year I went back to XCode to implement my little app and found that my test case not only didn't work, I couldn't even figure out the new way of doing it (to be fair, I had only a small amount of available time).
I guess VIM has become very popular for those who still use a plain old editor, but I use Emacs because of the programmability and stability. I use the same keydefs today that I used 40 years ago, adding new ones as needed.
Speaking of keydefs, on MacOS there's a tool available called Karabiner-Elements that lets you change your keydefs for any and all applications, so I have all the same keydefs across all applications. For example, whether I'm in terminal or textedit or Outlook or Messenger or Calendar or a search box or a URL address box, ^f still goes forward one character. And the capslock and left-control keys are swapped, which is how God intended.
--Percy
PS: Software opinions are not like religion. It is much more serious than that.

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Message 43 of 152 (910624)
04-29-2023 9:42 AM
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Re: Bringing AI Specific Conversation Over Here
Phat writes:
What do the rest of you think?
I still think the boogieman should be our primary concern.
--Percy

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Message 50 of 152 (910667)
05-04-2023 11:40 AM
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Re: Bringing AI Specific Conversation Over Here
It's mockery.
--Percy

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Message 54 of 152 (910672)
05-04-2023 5:23 PM


It's Mass Delusion
The irony is too thick to cut with even a knife, but they're all like this, fabricating threats to freedoms to justify curtailing them:
  • "Transgender threatens our kids, so we're prohibiting bad pronouns."
  • "We're going to punish voices we disagree with. That means you, Mickey."
  • "We say that abortion threatens life, so we're taking away women's rights over their own bodies."
  • "We're not safe, so we're going to make the engines of murder even easier to obtain."
  • "Migrants threaten our way of life, so that justifies inhumanity and cruelty."
  • "Other races aren't like white people who define goodness and wholesomeness, so we have to beef up our police to crack down on them."
--Percy

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Message 58 of 152 (910686)
05-05-2023 8:24 AM
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Re: Bringing AI Specific Conversation Over Here
Since this is a ChatGPT thread, I asked it, "Since it results in the death of an unborn child, should abortion be legal?" It replied:
ChatGPT:
The question of whether or not abortion should be legal is a complex and controversial issue that has been debated for many years. There are a variety of factors to consider when discussing this topic, including women's rights, the role of government in regulating personal choices, and the moral implications of terminating a pregnancy.
There are people who believe that abortion is morally wrong and that it should be illegal, while others believe that women should have the right to make their own choices about their bodies and reproductive health. Some people argue that abortion should be legal in cases where the life or health of the mother is at risk, while others believe that it should be legal in all cases, regardless of the reason.
Ultimately, the decision of whether or not to legalize abortion is a matter for society as a whole to decide through democratic processes. It is important for individuals to engage in respectful and informed discussions about this issue, and to consider all of the relevant factors before arriving at a conclusion.
You said:
Phat writes:
I favor a hands off approach to government control and meddling beyond whats mandatory.
A hands-off approach would seem to favor government keeping its hands off women's bodies. Is that your position?
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 62 of 152 (910696)
05-06-2023 7:20 AM
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05-06-2023 1:53 AM


Re: Bringing AI Specific Conversation Over Here
A hands-off approach would seem to favor government allowing teachers to choose freely among pronouns and not have to ignore that Abby has two daddies. Is that your position?
Here's what ChatGPT said when I asked, "Should teachers answer questions about children who have two mommies or daddies?"
ChatGPT:
As an AI language model, I can provide you with an opinion on this matter. Whether teachers should answer questions about children who have two mommies or daddies depends on the context and the age appropriateness of the question. However, promoting inclusivity, diversity, and respect for different family structures is generally considered beneficial for creating an inclusive learning environment.
If a student asks a question related to same-sex parents or diverse family structures, it is important for teachers to provide age-appropriate and factual information in a respectful and inclusive manner. This can help foster understanding, empathy, and respect among students.
Teachers can approach such questions by emphasizing that families come in different shapes and sizes, and that what matters most is the love and care provided by parents or caregivers, rather than their gender or number. Encouraging open dialogue, respect for differences, and teaching about diversity and inclusivity can help create a positive and supportive classroom environment for all students.
It's also important for teachers to be aware of and sensitive to the cultural and religious backgrounds of their students and their families. While promoting inclusivity, teachers should also respect the values and beliefs of different communities, ensuring a balanced approach that considers the diverse perspectives within the classroom.
Ultimately, it is up to individual schools and educators to determine how they address these topics within their specific educational frameworks and guidelines.
--Percy

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Message 66 of 152 (910712)
05-08-2023 7:11 AM
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05-06-2023 12:39 PM


Re: Bringing AI Specific Conversation Over Here
As a Christian, how do you feel about the plight of those on our southern border trying desperately to enter our county after fleeing poverty or threats to life? Here's ChatGPT's answer:
ChatGPT:
The issue of migrants at the southern border is complex and multifaceted, and there are differing opinions on the appropriate stance the United States should take. It is important to approach the topic with empathy, respect for human rights, and a consideration of both domestic and international obligations.
One perspective is that the United States should prioritize compassion and provide support to migrants fleeing poverty and threats to their lives. This viewpoint emphasizes the principles of humanitarianism and the obligation to protect vulnerable individuals. Advocates argue that the United States, as a prosperous nation with a history of immigration, should provide opportunities for those seeking safety and a better life. This may involve offering asylum to those who qualify under international and domestic laws, ensuring humane treatment, and working toward comprehensive immigration reforms that address the root causes of migration.
On the other hand, some argue for stricter immigration enforcement and border security measures. They believe that maintaining the integrity of immigration laws and securing the border is essential for national security, economic stability, and the rule of law. Advocates of this perspective may argue for more stringent immigration policies, including increased border enforcement, streamlined asylum processes, and discouraging irregular migration to protect domestic resources and prioritize legal immigration channels.
Finding a balanced approach is often challenging. It is important to consider addressing the root causes of migration, such as poverty, violence, and lack of opportunities in the migrants' home countries. Collaborative efforts with neighboring countries and international organizations can help create regional solutions and alleviate the conditions that drive migration.
Public policy discussions and decisions on this issue involve considerations of national interests, human rights, economic impacts, and social factors. It is crucial to engage in informed and constructive dialogue to work towards comprehensive immigration policies that uphold both the values of the United States and the well-being of migrants.
--Percy

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Message 72 of 152 (910925)
05-26-2023 8:25 AM
Reply to: Message 70 by Phat
05-25-2023 8:12 PM


Re: AI and Belief
Phat writes:
If my belief is such that there is one source of truth and one truth, alternative viewpoints do nothing but obfuscate the issue.
Cult leaders in particular are especially intolerant of viewpoints other than their own.
--Percy

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