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Phat Member Posts: 18651 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.3 |
You are an expert at slandering people. Jordan Peterson is your latest victim.
We can discuss the Biden cabinet, but this is the wrong topic for it. Present your argument elsewhere and I MIGHT respond.
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Phat Member Posts: 18651 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.3 |
I am redirecting your ongoing rant here. Message 106
This was due to my watching two interesting videos on this subject: Narrated by a human)
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Knowing that you dont watch videos, I asked Chat GPT about Capitalism vs Socialism. I phrased my question this way:
quote: ChatGPT:That took around 20 seconds. Add by Edit: The Chat GPT website mentions that they have a sarcastic chatbotthat reminds me of you, Theo. It's called Marv. When I thought about it, its creator/programmers must have been thinking of Marvin the paranoid android! quote: You are more sarcastic than paranoid. And this also got me thinking of a scary future. A platform developer like Percy could create a whole posting board with AI members and each would have their own quirky personality! Trolls would come and go and be mystified that they got shut down so fast! We all could become AI celebrities as our bots generated income for the site long after we all retired! Edited by Phat, : added Marvs Conversation
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 6.1
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Learn what slander is before you use the word. Nothing I said about Peterson is libelous. It is public record.
You are the one that brought up the Biden cabinet. If you, as typical, don't want to defend your assertions I will not be surprised. I have no argument you acted as if you did. The troll has to troll. Edited by Theodoric, . What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 6.1
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Fuck you.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Phat Member Posts: 18651 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.3 |
I know that you guys get tired of my belief and predictions regarding the direction and future of global finance so I thought Chat GPT might help.
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Phat Member Posts: 18651 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.3 |
FYI I asked CleverPhat to answer the question. Saves me some time...plus the Bot is unbiased as far as I can tell.
Here is what I got in 20 seconds.
CleverPhat writes: Seems as if the Bot did my homework for me! On a related note, I had a teacher come through my checkout line a couple of days ago. I asked her if the teachers were aware of ChatGPT and how they were addressing concerns about plagiarism. As an AI language model, I do not hold personal opinions or biases, and I do not have the ability to assess whether or not a particular individual is an expert. However, I can provide a brief overview of some of the members of President Biden's cabinet, along with their relevant qualifications and experience. Antony Blinken, Secretary of State: Blinken served as Deputy Secretary of State and National Security Advisor under President Obama. He has also worked as a staff member for the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and as a managing director at the consulting firm, WestExec Advisors. Janet Yellen, Secretary of the Treasury: Yellen previously served as Chair of the Federal Reserve and as an economics professor at the University of California, Berkeley. She has also held a number of other high-level government and academic positions related to economics and finance. Lloyd Austin, Secretary of Defense: Austin is a retired four-star general who previously served as the commander of U.S. Central Command. He has also held a number of other military leadership positions throughout his career. Merrick Garland, Attorney General: Garland is a federal judge who previously served as Chief Judge of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit. He has also worked as a federal prosecutor and held a number of other legal positions. Deb Haaland, Secretary of the Interior: Haaland is a member of the Pueblo of Laguna and was one of the first Native American women elected to Congress. She has been a vocal advocate for environmental issues and has served on the House Natural Resources Committee. She mentioned that the teachers at her high school were very aware and had some counter strategies of their own. Which included:
Good stuff! My customers are wonderful! I really like Anthony Blinken, by the way. I dont trust Yellin or Powell, however. I disagree with CleverPhat on the issues of fiat currencies. They will fall apart.
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Percy Member Posts: 22953 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.9
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Phat writes: I disagree with CleverPhat on the issues of fiat currencies. They will fall apart. People will start listening to you when you display an understanding of the relevant issues. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22953 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.9
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Over the past month or so I've begun to increasingly believe that arguing that AI is not real is like spitting in the wind. Everything I read, hear or see is becoming more and more over the top about the AI revolution, ChatGPT being the most well known representative.
But every now and then I see something that revives my hope that sanity about this technology might prevail, like this Bloomberg opinion piece that also appeared in the Washington Post: There’s No Such Thing as Artificial Intelligence. A few excerpts:
Bloomberg: Could not have said it better myself. In fact, I believe I have said it, though probably not as well. If there were truly AI out there the car companies would not finally be admitting, though grudgingly, that automatic driving is a much harder problem than they thought. Why they ever thought they were close I don't know because there are legions of people working in the AI field (the field of AI is real, just like the field of fusion power is real - it's just that neither is a reality yet) who are telling them this repeatedly. But undoubtedly there are enough voices encouraging them onward because, well, there's gold in them thar hills. Selling the AI dream is a billion dollar industry. But it really is just a dream. ChatGPT is not AI. Neither are Siri, Alexa or your thermostat. But the processing power of modern computers, algorithms and databases are truly amazing. For example, I brought up ChatGPT while I wrote this in case I wanted to try something out, and just for the heck of it I just asked it about a software problem I'm currently having. It's initial answer to my generalized question was boilerplate copied off the web, but it was a good example of the problem I'm facing, so I asked how to solve it and it came up with something worth trying. Good show! The opinion piece goes on to say that, "Reasonable technologists have tried for years to replace 'AI' with 'machine learning systems,' but that doesn’t trip off the tongue in quite the same way." Actually, it isn't that "machine learning systems" doesn't trip off the tongue, it's that it doesn't trip the same brain response in the buying public as 'AI'. Later in the piece he quotes computer scientist Margaret Mitchell saying, "Before… people like me said we worked on ‘machine learning.’ That’s a great way to get people’s eyes to glaze over...It’s terrible but I’m doing this too. I’m calling everything that I touch ‘AI’ because then people will listen to what I’m saying." With even computer scientists surrendering to the AI avalanche the term is here to stay, however inaccurately applied. --Percy Edited by Percy, : Fix title. Edited by Percy, : Typo.
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nwr Member Posts: 6484 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 8.7 |
The phrase alone may be one of the most successful marketing terms of all time. AI has always been mostly marketing hype. In the early days, it was marketing ideas in academia. Now it is marketing products. But it has always been marketing. It was never substance.--> -->Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity <-- <--
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Percy Member Posts: 22953 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.9
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In my previous post I mentioned that ChatGPT gave me a promising answer to a software problem I was having, but now it has just blown me away. I was banging my head against the wall on this difficult software problem, and ChatGPT found the answer for me. I'd been reading pages and pages of suggestions at Stack Overflow and similar places, and I was getting desperate enough to start thinking about posting a question so I could have an interactive exchange, but ChatGPT told me how to fix it. Wow! Just wow! Absolutely amazing!
That's all I had to say, though those of a software bent may want to continue reading. --Percy In case anyone's interested, here's what happened in a little more detail. I'm doing some website implementation work using Node.js for the backend (basically Javascript with add-ons) and ReactJS for the frontend (basically Javascript but with different add-ons). My problem was with Node.js and MySQL. I was unable to figure out how to wait for asynchronous MySQL calls to return values before trying to use them. There's tons of information on the Internet for how to do this, but despite trying a number of the many suggested approaches I was unable to get anything to work. So I asked ChatGPT, "Can you help me make mysql work in nodejs?" This was a fairly generic inquiry, and it responded with some standard boilerplate. I described the problem in greater detail, explaining that logging the returned data to the console was not helpful. I needed that data returned to me so that I could process it. It correctly suggested using the Promise capability and provided an implementation suggestion that was a variation I hadn't tried yet, so I gave it a try. It didn't work, so I gave ChatGPT a little more detail, explaining that the code seemed to be blowing right past the function call without waiting for the data to be returned, something like this:
Sections = doQuery("select SID, Name from Sections") console.log('Sections: ' + Sections) Printed to the console (really just stdout) was, "Sections: Undefined", but I knew from console.log statements that I'd placed in the doQuery function that the value it was attempting to return to me was not undefined but was full of data. ChatGPT then properly diagnosed that I was having a problem with asynchronicity and made another code suggestion. This didn't work either, and ChatGPT said, "It might be helpful to provide more information about your code." So I cut-n-pasted the relevant code into the message box and sent it ahead. ChatGPT picked up a problem instantly:
ChatGPT: I was blown away! ChatGPT had detected a missing return statement. That's amazing! That wasn't the cause of the problem, but it's still amazing that ChatGPT found it. But it gets better. ChatGPT had a further suggestion, AND IT WORKED. Amazing!!! --Percy Edited by Percy, : Grammar.
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Admin Director Posts: 13108 From: EvC Forum Joined:
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Message 1 probably belongs in this thread:
xongsmith writes: a friend posted this link to facebook: The A.I. Dilemma - March 9, 2023 on Vimeo i found it scary...should we talk about AI or is there a thread? I didn't find one.
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Modulous Member (Idle past 241 days) Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
I spend a good deal of time with chatGPT everyday, I write code in HCL which is a lot less common than javascript, python etc. So trawling through stackoverflow or reading dry documentation doesn't often cover th use cases I find myself tackling in easy ways. So just being able to say
quote: and just get a good structure on which to build is a huge timesaver!
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8654 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 6.7 |
ChatGPT is a very nice toy, that with some efficacy improvements, can be a power tool in R&D. Both Percy and Modulous are impressed with ChatGPT’s programming prowess. If you look you can find some horror stories about some results in other fields. Some of the philosophy stuff I've seen out of this thing is quite dumb. I’m sure these will be trained-out of the next versions. These things only get stronger the more they experience and train.
The problems for academia, copyright, plagiarism, citation standards and on, all need to be worked out. Looks like neat stuff. But, I’m an old fart. This kinda technology stuff has been a major part of my life and I should have been first to sign up to play. I may have been. That was weeks ago. What I found during signup was the requirement to reveal personal information beyond what I feel is necessary for use of the product. Right now it is, for me, just an attractive-looking game and I’m on enough mailing lists already. I pass. I wanted to ask it to print a list of the first 2000 customer last name and phone number entries in OpenAI's authorized ChatGPT user's database.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Phat Member Posts: 18651 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.3 |
nwr writes: So what defines substance? I would argue that the mere formation of words strung together in a rational way suggests a form of substance. Chat GPT is able to make rational arguments.
AI has always been mostly marketing hype. In the early days, it was marketing ideas in academia. Now it is marketing products. But it has always been marketing. It was never substance.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17919 Joined: Member Rating: 6.7 |
quote: It is able to produce rational arguments. Or complete bullshit arguments. It can’t tell the difference. See Maths versus AI (it can do better with other problems but it flubbed that one badly). See also the discussion of AI essay writing linked in my earlier post Message 4
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