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Message 11 of 25 (910484)
04-25-2023 7:42 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by Phat
04-25-2023 2:53 AM


Kill All Humans!
OK, I’ll bite.
This video was pure fear. Right from the opening graphic to the end the message was AI is going to kill us. No realistic talk about how AI is going to do this, just that AI is evil and will kill all humans. Thank you, Bender.
Were talking a computer. A box with a power chord that we feed it electricity through. It doesn’t exist in a vacuum. AI still, no mater what its decision tables end up pronouncing, must feed its results through the world of humanity. It's existence totally depends on us.
Compare AI to social media. Social media is a cesspool of all the worst thoughts possible by humans. We know this. There is the awareness that this crap is out there. But the power of social media to expose corruption and abuse is also in our awareness and, with effort, we can compensate (ignore) the crap and reap the benefits. AI is not the same. The tool is useful, powerful and at OUR command where social media is a free for all without limit.
So, what is it about AI that is to be feared? What specific atrocities is AI going to create that will doom humanity more than we have already done to ourselves? And more important, in knowing a danger may exist with a specific usage or project, what makes you think we would allow AI unfettered, uncontrolled, access to such technology?
Again, Phat, you seem to have fallen for the fear mongering hype without critical thought.
Where is the actual danger?

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 13 of 25 (910495)
04-25-2023 2:10 PM
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04-25-2023 12:50 PM


Re: Kill All Humans!
First, I want to define my version of the AIs I see coming. I see hard AI being feasible. Human level intelligence (ability to discern and solve complex problems) without any emotional base. HAL 9000. That is not the AI we have today, but our tool for tomorrow.
The chatBOT that set up the 13-year old
That is not the doings of the AI. It is the product of loose safety programming. These systems are still too new to have experienced the lifetime of human mores and morals and, as with all things AI, need to be trained by the developers.
And these situations happen in plain view. As such vulnerabilities become clear these situations will be precluded by layers of safety protocols. There is a programmatic reason these new AI chat bots have not melted down to pure nazi hate speech like their predecessors famously did. AIs can be controlled.
The Persuasion expertise is getting stronger.
Remember The Hidden Persuaders? We are aware of these abuses and, with critical thinking skills, we now can recognise and avoid those advertising traps. The same will happen with these powers in AIs. We will even be using other AIs to locate and expose the ruse.
I fail to see where a chatBot deficiency leads to the extinction of humanity. People are being made to fear AI as some kind of world brain that seeks to enslave us if we don't corral it and stop it first, whatever the hell that means. Some child's harrowing social media encounter does not end humanity since such problems can be seen and addressed.
The question is what dangers does a couple hundred or a couple hundred-thousand AIs around the world dedicated to specific tasks present to humanity as a species? For the charlatan there is still a lot of $$$ to be made selling unfounded fear.
Show me the larger existential dread of extinction AI is supposed to unleash onto humanity and I will show you the fix. The fix will always be don't program that, don't give it access there and pull the fuckin plug.
So, again, where is the actual danger?
Control your emotions, human. We are watching.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 19 of 25 (910546)
04-26-2023 3:28 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by xongsmith
04-25-2023 5:13 PM


Re: Kill All Humans!
You would be on the consortium to prevent things like Colossos - The Forbin Project from ever eventuating.
Spectacular movie. Because of memes like this in the human soul I don't think we need worry about such monstrosities.
Now you got me going. I'm going to have to see it again.
But China actually already has a task force working on containing chatBOTS from accessing and spreading the Tienanmen Square story from being seen by their citizens, so they are a "step", if you can call it that, ahead of the USA.
The Chinese use of AI is certainly not to the West's benefit. You're not surprised. No one is. None of their considerable skills are used for anything other than what they see as China's benefit. They watch everything, in and out of their domains.
In the West, national and financial AIs are watching everything in China as well. We are not last in this game. I imagine they look to exploit opportunities for intelligence and financial gains. I have to think the NSA and Wall Street are as deep into AI as any competitor the world over just not centered on the same goals.
If you want to argue that the use of AIs in mean and nasty ways is the AI's fault thus we are in mortal danger from AI then I concede.
I was looking for something more like the evil sentience of AI doing us in, not the evil sentience of humans ... which has already done us in.

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Message 21 of 25 (910627)
04-29-2023 12:30 PM
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04-26-2023 5:21 PM


Over the years I have become increasingly in line, without realizing it, with the so-called "emergent or emerging church". The best source of information on that is Brian McLaren, and I think that the best place to understand him is his book A New Kind of Christianity
So now that ups the total to, what, 45,001 cults in christendom?
You should not be proud of this.

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Message 23 of 25 (910631)
04-29-2023 2:38 PM
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04-29-2023 1:42 PM


Re: Majik Wizdom
You missed out on your trip to Sedona. You should have noticed the fliers freely floating about town. I was up there just a few weeks ago and there must have been a half-dozen invites to mystic christian happenings. Remember Sedona is one of those rare portals to the cosmic consciousness and I guess Jesus is expected to be in there somewhere.

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Message 25 of 25 (910633)
04-30-2023 6:38 PM
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04-30-2023 11:07 AM


Re: Majik Wizdom
Sedona always seemed like a big tourist trap to me ...
Yes, indeed it is. That's one reason you don't find many Cordulegaster diadema there. Being locals they're too smart to fall for that crap.

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