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Percy Member Posts: 22806 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.5
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Phat writes: For adults the message isn't about physicality. He explains very clearly on page 5 that "Don't hit people" is the version of the message a six-year old understands, but then he goes on use the adult example of "environmental pollution and destruction" and how it hurts people. If you're purposefully pushing people's buttons, especially just because you're bored, not provoked, then you're hurting people for no reason. Fulghum said, "Play fair," "Don't hit people," and "Say you're sorry when you hurt somebody." Good rules to go by. He also said, "Clean up your own mess." Better get started. --Percy
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9426 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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But Phat does not understand his mess that he has to clean up.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Phat Member Posts: 18523 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
What mess?
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Tangle Member Posts: 9559 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Tomorrow Finland will become the 31st member of NATO. Took longer than I anticipated but they say that it's not much over a year - therefore lightning fast as these things go.
Sweden still stuck by a Turkish objection, but expected to become member number 32 in a couple of months. I think I owe Percy something but can't be bothered to find out.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3951 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined:
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The general discription of the program:
quote: Ukraine 242 Podcast Their homepage: ukraine 242 30 minutes per episode, for your optional listening. The most recent episode is: Why Invading Ukraine Makes Sense to Russia: Colonialism Vs Multilateral Cooperation - AS I TYPE THIS, NOT YET AVAILABLE AS PODCAST.
quote: KTWH-LP, Two Harbors, MN broadcasts and webstreams this program at 9:30 pm (US central time) on Saturdays. KTWH 99.5 FM Two Harbors Community Radio Moose
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Tangle Member Posts: 9559 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Looks like Ukraine's 'spring offensive' has started. God knows what happens next.
Just heard an ex US General say that "since the early 90s Russia has either crushed popular rebellion or changed the borders in Europe eight times, by force - it's got to stop. [...] this is where it can stop. I hope he's right.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. |
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Percy Member Posts: 22806 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.5
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Tangle writes: I think I owe Percy something but can't be bothered to find out. I believe it was a bottle of 1796 Lenox Madeira. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22806 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.5
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Defend ‘every inch’ of NATO territory? New strategy is a work in progress. in today's Washington Post says a little bit about NATO's ability to fight off Russia:
quote: It says that past concerns about "provoking Moscow with too large a presence have receded." Rendered moot might be more accurate. Lithuania, and I imagine the rest of the Baltic countries, remain concerned:
quote: A portion of the article was devoted to the possibility that Russia attacks NATO first. It wondered how much territory for how long would have to be ceded to Russia, and how well the logistics would work to get fighting forces where they were needed. --Percy
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Tangle Member Posts: 9559 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
woh, some sort of coup in Russia. Where is this going?
Russia accuses Wagner chief of urging 'armed mutiny' - BBC News Edited by Tangle, . Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17874 Joined: Member Rating: 5.8 |
Yesterday it was reported that Prigozhin was blaming the Defence Minister for the invasion. BBC
"On 24 February [2022] there was nothing extraordinary happening there. Now the Ministry of Defence is trying to deceive the public, deceive the president and tell a story that there was some crazy aggression by Ukraine, that - together with the whole Nato bloc - Ukraine was planning to attack us. "The war was needed... so that Shoigu could become a Marshal, so that he could get a second Hero Star… the war wasn't for demilitarising or de-nazifying Ukraine. It was needed for an extra star." Notably he refrained from mentioning Putin. Looks like his differences with the military leadership - which have been going on for months - escalated. I think he was hoping that Putin would support him, purge the military leadership and get out of Ukraine. That didn’t happen.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9559 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Prigozhin appears to have taken three Russian cities and says he's heading for Moscow. He seems to have done it without actually fighting which means that the main Russian forces aren't resisting the mutiny - yet.
Prigozhin so far hasn't said anything against Putin but instead is going after the military leadership. But Putin has just backed the military and is going after Prigozhin calling it betrayal and mutiny. So it's a civil war. Whatever happens next it's good news for the Ukrainians.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17874 Joined: Member Rating: 5.8 |
Putin didn’t mention any names. Maybe he’s hoping that Prigozhin will back down. Maybe he’s even hedging his bets. The MoD has confirmed that Wagner units are heading for Moscow.
Given Prigozhin’s anti-war statements, it seems that even the worst outcome for Ukraine would see the Wagner mercenaries significantly weakened.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9559 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
They're digging up the roads leading to Moscow
An impressive panic considering there's only an estimated 500 troops in the convey heading for Moscow.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17874 Joined: Member Rating: 5.8 |
Prigozhin has agreed to stop the advance on Moscow - and the Wagner column has stopped. Lukashenko, the Belorussian President, brokered the deal, but it’s not clear what Prigozhin gets out of it. Or where things go from here.
Is Prigozhin just buying time to move more troops up? It doesn’t look to me like there’s any basis for a deal that leaves him alive.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17874 Joined: Member Rating: 5.8 |
Latest report is that Prigozhin is going to Belarus, and that the Russian Ministry of Defence is offering jobs to Wagner fighters.
I’ve also seen reports that Prigozhin’s enemies in the Russian military leadership are out, but the BBC hasn’t mentioned that, so I can’t be sure. Presumably Wagner will be disbanded - which is a plus. But Prigozhin may have signed his own death sentence, unless he has something up his sleeve. Putin is not the forgiving sort, and the Belarusian regime is dependent on Putin.
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