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Theodoric
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Message 256 of 328 (910325)
04-21-2023 9:35 AM
Reply to: Message 253 by Phat
04-21-2023 3:41 AM


Re: Cult
You do realize my source has 148 footnotes, don't you? Did you bother to read the source?
Do you need more sources?
Falun Gong is literally a religion.
Then again I can see that you would be attracted to a group that preaches racism and homophobia.
quote:
although it’s hard for me these days not to have some kind of visceral reaction to Falun Gong’s teachings about gay people being disgusting, interracial children having no heaven to go to, and aliens slowly taking over human bodies (not to mention the less-publicised, but widely-held, belief that Donald Trump is an angel from heaven).
The ABC is right: Falun Gong has some dangerous teachings - ABC Religion & Ethics
Go ahead watch the pretty women and flashing lights. Ignore the facts.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 257 of 328 (910341)
04-21-2023 11:50 AM
Reply to: Message 250 by Phat
04-20-2023 10:36 PM


Re: Krugman
There is no "one" culture.
You managed to completely miss the point.
What if I cant afford a new electric car?
Then don't buy one.
I have no current plans to buy one.

--> -->Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity <-- <--

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Phat
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Message 258 of 328 (910392)
04-22-2023 7:29 AM
Reply to: Message 252 by AZPaul3
04-20-2023 11:12 PM


Re: G7
Why don't you just admit that you would be in favor of a one world government?

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Phat
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Message 259 of 328 (910393)
04-22-2023 7:35 AM
Reply to: Message 256 by Theodoric
04-21-2023 9:35 AM


Re: Cult
Theodoric writes:
Falun Gong is literally a religion.
Then again I can see that you would be attracted to a group that preaches racism and homophobia.
Aside from deflecting us off topic as you accuse me of doing, you have never talked with any members of Falun Dafa. All that you have is data. And you also would not accept the answer that the CCP themselves spread misinformation. Just look at Wuhan!
And for every Fox News that you throw at me, I can just as easily throw some of CNN's gaffes right back at you.
For the record, I will agree that the evidence you have provided points to Falun Dafas public statements and those of its leader. Any leader should be questioned and critically examined.
Maybe you should start with that appalling director of border security and his incompetence on the job that he swore to uphold.

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Message 260 of 328 (910394)
04-22-2023 9:37 AM
Reply to: Message 258 by Phat
04-22-2023 7:29 AM


Re: G7
Why don't you just admit that you would be in favor of a one world government?
Of course. Are you daft?
If humans are going to survive in this world, which looks iffy, we have to have rules and structures of governance at a global level. Not some strict dictatorial régime but a closer confederation where world societies can decide, with some accepted forms of enforcement, how to handle humanitarian crises and armed conflicts. One where a global military force is used to enforce a ban on aggressive armed actions (Syria, Rwandan, Kosovo); to enforce agreed upon global norms, whatever the greater global community determines those to be.
I assume you want anarchy where Russia is free to invade Ukraine, China can invade Taiwan and others can openly practice genocide and ethnic cleansing (Uyghurs, Palestinians, Rohingya) at their will without consequence.
If you truly fear the growing power of China today then you will agree with the UN, or other pact, morphing into a global confederation with enforcement powers. In the long run, war is the only other option.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 261 of 328 (910396)
04-22-2023 10:18 AM
Reply to: Message 257 by nwr
04-21-2023 11:50 AM


Re: Krugman
nwr at the end about EV vehicles writes:
I have no current plans to buy one.
Nice pun!

"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."
Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned!
Enjoy every sandwich!

- xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale


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Theodoric
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Message 262 of 328 (910404)
04-22-2023 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 258 by Phat
04-22-2023 7:29 AM


Re: G7
I know no one in favor of that. It is just a right-wing boogeyman used to fleece you rubes.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 263 of 328 (910410)
04-22-2023 12:20 PM
Reply to: Message 259 by Phat
04-22-2023 7:35 AM


Re: Cult
You are the one that brought up Shen Yun in a lame attempt to counter a legitimate argument.
And for every Fox News that you throw at me, I can just as easily throw some of CNN's gaffes right back at you.
I have no memory of saying anything about Faux gaffes. I criticize their lies. As for CNN I can not imagine I have used them other than as a source of factual news. Please provide links to anything this pertains to. Are you lying?
For the record, I will agree that the evidence you have provided points to Falun Dafas public statements and those of its leader. Any leader should be questioned and critically examined.
So you agree? Not a reputable source?
Maybe you should start with that appalling director of border security and his incompetence on the job that he swore to uphold.
Irrelevant to this conversation. Please stop with the Gish Gallop. Maybe you should stop listening to right wing lies.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Phat
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Message 264 of 328 (910423)
04-22-2023 3:44 PM
Reply to: Message 263 by Theodoric
04-22-2023 12:20 PM


CNN also has an Agenda.
Maybe you should realize that the Left Wing has propaganda, lies, and an agenda all its own.

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Tanypteryx
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Message 265 of 328 (910427)
04-22-2023 4:36 PM
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04-22-2023 3:44 PM


Re: CNN also has an Agenda.
You must have a list.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Theodoric
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Message 266 of 328 (910444)
04-22-2023 8:22 PM
Reply to: Message 264 by Phat
04-22-2023 3:44 PM


Re: CNN also has an Agenda.
Irrelevant, but how about you show us some instead of whining.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Tanypteryx
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Message 267 of 328 (910601)
04-28-2023 1:21 PM


U.S. Debt Ceiling
Phat's endless predictions of a financial collapse in the U.S. may actually occur. Failure to raise the debt ceiling comes with dire warnings of catastrophe. The GOP may actually finally succeed in burning down our government and our society. Fuck them all!

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 268 of 328 (910602)
04-28-2023 2:50 PM
Reply to: Message 267 by Tanypteryx
04-28-2023 1:21 PM


Re: U.S. Debt Ceiling
Repugnican opposition to the ceiling increase is a show. They want to bitch about liberal spending and sending a wave a panic and fear through American and world societies has been an effective attention getter in decades past.
If the house does not raise the debt there will be repercussions for sure but the GOP cannot let this go too far. Their big business, big finance donors will not allow too much disruption of their operations before they threaten to pull the financial plug on the whole party as they threatened in 2011(?).
Phat's going to have to wait for a real scare. Yes it can hurt but this one is manufactured and should be temporary.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Phat
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Message 269 of 328 (910659)
05-03-2023 11:16 PM
Reply to: Message 268 by AZPaul3
04-28-2023 2:50 PM


Re: U.S. Debt Ceiling
Let me ask you something. Do you believe that there is any way that the US can or will EVER pay off the major portion of that debt? Should they? If not, how can you honestly believe that money gets its value solely from the people and that as much of "it" can be "created" as is needed?
Sounds downright Orwellian to me!
Tougher times are coming. The debt ceiling, however, is as you say...a manufactured crises.
The real crises will be when the majority of the world no longer trusts the US Dollar.

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Tanypteryx
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Message 270 of 328 (910660)
05-03-2023 11:52 PM
Reply to: Message 269 by Phat
05-03-2023 11:16 PM


Re: U.S. Debt Ceiling
Phat writes:
The real crises will be when the majority of the world no longer trusts the US Dollar.
OK, since you make this claim, what happens then? I have asked you this before. Describe the nature of this crisis and what exactly causes the majority of the world to no longer trust the dollar. We're all sick of your vague bullshit the sky is falling predictions.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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