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Dredge
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Message 1764 of 1864 (910261)
04-20-2023 9:07 AM
Reply to: Message 1758 by Theodoric
04-19-2023 9:09 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
In that case, why would you say it's "interesting" that I quoted a man who converted to Judaism?

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Dredge
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Message 1765 of 1864 (910262)
04-20-2023 9:15 AM
Reply to: Message 1763 by Tangle
04-20-2023 1:38 AM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Sorry, but you're not making an sense to me. if "Life itself is meaningless", as you say, then everything you do in life is meaningless.

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Dredge
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Message 1769 of 1864 (910285)
04-20-2023 6:42 PM
Reply to: Message 1762 by dwise1
04-19-2023 10:24 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
unwise1 writes:
Zero evidence that he had become a theist.
On the contrary, his words make it obvious that he was a theist:
"We must admit that there exists an incomprehensible power or force with limitless foresight and knowledge that started the whole universe going in the first place.” (Anfinsen, as cited in Margenau and Varghese, ‘Cosmos, Bios, Theos’, 1997, 139).
"I can think of little more to add to my final point having to do with the nature of God and the existence of God. Clearly, an all-powerful, all-knowing entity must exist to explain our existence.” (Anfinsen 1989).
But oddly, despite converting to Orthodox Judaism, it seems he remained non-committal viz-a-viz theological specifics. So one might describe him as an agnostic theist.
Agnostic theism - Wikipedia

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Dredge
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Message 1770 of 1864 (910286)
04-20-2023 6:46 PM
Reply to: Message 1767 by AZPaul3
04-20-2023 11:55 AM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
APauling666 writes:
Do you actively resist and disrupt religious functions? Do you shout, rant and rave when religion is publicly mentioned? Do you eat Christian babies?
Sadly - and rather disturbingly - your answer to all the above is "Yes".

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Dredge
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Message 1771 of 1864 (910288)
04-20-2023 7:00 PM
Reply to: Message 1766 by Tangle
04-20-2023 9:59 AM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
I'm also not stupid; I have three degrees in radically different disciples, two at Master's level, one from Cambridge University, England.
Intelligence is a curious thing... highly intelligent people can be downright stupid in certain areas of thought.
"One has to belong to the intelligentsia to believe things like that: no ordinary man could be such a fool" - George Orwell

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Dredge
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Message 1773 of 1864 (910297)
04-20-2023 9:00 PM
Reply to: Message 1766 by Tangle
04-20-2023 9:59 AM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Tangled writes:
I'm also very happy. I'm long time married with kids, a good job that I like (in fact it's my own business), plenty of savings, a nice paid for house in a nice neighbourhood and good friends. I live in a modern western democracy with freedom to do pretty much what I like, free health care and education and a corruption free criminal justice system and I'm still healthy. In fact, I won the lottery of life.

I have meaning in my life - plenty of meaning, life is good, I enjoy life.
Happiness and experiences don't add up to meaning. You're just a bunch of molecules that is here today and will be gone tomorrow, so you have no more meaning than a bag of mud.
If you come from nothing and go back to nothing, whatever happens in between (life) is also nothing. You're sense of meaning is just an illogical (and meaningless) delusion.
But since life is meaningless (according to atheism), it doesn't matter if you live your life in a fog of delusion. Anything goes, coz everything means nothing..

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Dredge
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Message 1774 of 1864 (910298)
04-20-2023 9:03 PM
Reply to: Message 1772 by AZPaul3
04-20-2023 8:03 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
APauling writes:
That is why I am a Truly Hard Atheist
But you're still my best friend.

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Dredge
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Message 1775 of 1864 (910299)
04-20-2023 9:10 PM
Reply to: Message 1766 by Tangle
04-20-2023 9:59 AM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Tangled writes:
I'm asking you to accept that - atheist, not stupid, happy with meaning in my life - ok, got it?
No, but what I do get is that for someone with three degrees (in radically different disciples, two at Master's level, one from Cambridge University, England), you're a very shallow thinker.
P.S. Any degree offered by any Humanities faculty is not a real degree.

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Dredge
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Message 1777 of 1864 (910301)
04-20-2023 9:55 PM
Reply to: Message 1776 by AZPaul3
04-20-2023 9:23 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
So true, but the Eucharist is not about being about intellectual. It's infinity more than that.

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Dredge
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Message 1778 of 1864 (910302)
04-20-2023 9:56 PM
Reply to: Message 1776 by AZPaul3
04-20-2023 9:23 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
infinitely

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Dredge
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Message 1780 of 1864 (910309)
04-20-2023 11:15 PM
Reply to: Message 1779 by AZPaul3
04-20-2023 10:57 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
APauling666 writes:
No intelligent thought to any of your creed.
"Let no one deceive himself. If any one among you considers himself wise in this age, let him become a fool so as to become wise. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in the eyes of God" (1Cor 3:18-19).

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Dredge
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Message 1784 of 1864 (910322)
04-21-2023 9:02 AM
Reply to: Message 1781 by Tanypteryx
04-20-2023 11:19 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Tanypteryx writes:
gibberish
"the natural man does not accept what pertains to the Spirit of God, for to him it is foolishness, and he cannot understand it, because it is spiritually discerned." (1Cor 2:14)

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Dredge
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Message 1789 of 1864 (910361)
04-21-2023 5:03 PM
Reply to: Message 1787 by Tangle
04-21-2023 10:04 AM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Tangled writes:
Atheism is a LACK of belief in god(s).
In other words, you believe there is no god(s).
Why are you so hung up on admitting that you have beliefs? Weird.

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Dredge
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Message 1790 of 1864 (910365)
04-21-2023 5:11 PM
Reply to: Message 1788 by Tanypteryx
04-21-2023 11:31 AM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Witty ... but sad ... even sadder than your all-insect diet and the many insect-posters adorning your bedroom walls.

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Dredge
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Message 1791 of 1864 (910369)
04-21-2023 5:24 PM
Reply to: Message 1787 by Tangle
04-21-2023 10:04 AM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Tangled writes:
There are some hypotheses but so far it's not understood and, what's more, it possibly never will be.
Puny science will always be clueless about abiogenesis, but you forgot to mention that the process that produced the life-form changes evident in the fossil record (often referred to as "evolution") is also unknown and can never be known. Science can't even know what happened, let alone explain how it happened.

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