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Dredge
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Message 1771 of 1864 (910288)
04-20-2023 7:00 PM
Reply to: Message 1766 by Tangle
04-20-2023 9:59 AM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
I'm also not stupid; I have three degrees in radically different disciples, two at Master's level, one from Cambridge University, England.
Intelligence is a curious thing... highly intelligent people can be downright stupid in certain areas of thought.
"One has to belong to the intelligentsia to believe things like that: no ordinary man could be such a fool" - George Orwell

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AZPaul3
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Message 1772 of 1864 (910291)
04-20-2023 8:03 PM
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04-20-2023 6:46 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Sadly - and rather disturbingly - your answer to all the above is "Yes".
Yes, of course. That is why I am a Truly Hard AtheistTM.
You really latch onto the obvious, don't you cracker-head?

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Dredge
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Message 1773 of 1864 (910297)
04-20-2023 9:00 PM
Reply to: Message 1766 by Tangle
04-20-2023 9:59 AM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Tangled writes:
I'm also very happy. I'm long time married with kids, a good job that I like (in fact it's my own business), plenty of savings, a nice paid for house in a nice neighbourhood and good friends. I live in a modern western democracy with freedom to do pretty much what I like, free health care and education and a corruption free criminal justice system and I'm still healthy. In fact, I won the lottery of life.

I have meaning in my life - plenty of meaning, life is good, I enjoy life.
Happiness and experiences don't add up to meaning. You're just a bunch of molecules that is here today and will be gone tomorrow, so you have no more meaning than a bag of mud.
If you come from nothing and go back to nothing, whatever happens in between (life) is also nothing. You're sense of meaning is just an illogical (and meaningless) delusion.
But since life is meaningless (according to atheism), it doesn't matter if you live your life in a fog of delusion. Anything goes, coz everything means nothing..

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Dredge
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Message 1774 of 1864 (910298)
04-20-2023 9:03 PM
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04-20-2023 8:03 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
APauling writes:
That is why I am a Truly Hard Atheist
But you're still my best friend.

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Dredge
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Message 1775 of 1864 (910299)
04-20-2023 9:10 PM
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04-20-2023 9:59 AM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Tangled writes:
I'm asking you to accept that - atheist, not stupid, happy with meaning in my life - ok, got it?
No, but what I do get is that for someone with three degrees (in radically different disciples, two at Master's level, one from Cambridge University, England), you're a very shallow thinker.
P.S. Any degree offered by any Humanities faculty is not a real degree.

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AZPaul3
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Message 1776 of 1864 (910300)
04-20-2023 9:23 PM
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04-20-2023 9:10 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
P.S. Any degree offered by any Humanities faculty is not a real degree.
That applies to your top academic achievement, Participation Certificate in Cracker Dynamics. It has no intellectual value.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Dredge
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Message 1777 of 1864 (910301)
04-20-2023 9:55 PM
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04-20-2023 9:23 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
So true, but the Eucharist is not about being about intellectual. It's infinity more than that.

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Dredge
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Message 1778 of 1864 (910302)
04-20-2023 9:56 PM
Reply to: Message 1776 by AZPaul3
04-20-2023 9:23 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
infinitely

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AZPaul3
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Message 1779 of 1864 (910306)
04-20-2023 10:57 PM
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04-20-2023 9:55 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
So true, but the Eucharist is not about being about intellectual.
Oh, that is so true. No intelligent thought to any of your creed.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Dredge
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Message 1780 of 1864 (910309)
04-20-2023 11:15 PM
Reply to: Message 1779 by AZPaul3
04-20-2023 10:57 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
APauling666 writes:
No intelligent thought to any of your creed.
"Let no one deceive himself. If any one among you considers himself wise in this age, let him become a fool so as to become wise. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in the eyes of God" (1Cor 3:18-19).

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Tanypteryx
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Message 1781 of 1864 (910310)
04-20-2023 11:19 PM
Reply to: Message 1780 by Dredge
04-20-2023 11:15 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Funny, the Protestants say the same thing...gibberish.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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AZPaul3
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Message 1782 of 1864 (910311)
04-20-2023 11:26 PM
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04-20-2023 11:15 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
"Let no one be deceived by stories from priests. Their goals are to make knowledge and wisdom foolish so to strengthen obedience." (AZPaul3 4:20)

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Tangle
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Message 1783 of 1864 (910316)
04-21-2023 3:43 AM
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04-20-2023 9:00 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Dredge writes:
Happiness and experiences don't add up to meaning. You're just a bunch of molecules that is here today and will be gone tomorrow, so you have no more meaning than a bag of mud.

If you come from nothing and go back to nothing, whatever happens in between (life) is also nothing. You're sense of meaning is just an illogical (and meaningless) delusion.
I was wondering when you'd have to resort to arguing about the meaning of words rather than the substantive argument.
What I and others here have said many times is that we find meaning in our lives. That's a statement of fact.
But since life is meaningless (according to atheism), it doesn't matter if you live your life in a fog of delusion.
We've also said that there is no ultimate purpose for life being here at all. They are two different statements aren't they?
We're saying that even though life itself has no ultimate purpose, we can find meaning for ourselves in being alive. And that's enough for us. We don't need to create an imaginary purpose for life in order to find meaning in our own lives.
Anything goes, coz everything means nothing..
Another factually wrong statement. Quite clearly 'anything' does not go. Despite being an atheist I lead a very Christian life. Can you square that circle, lawyer? Why am I not a murdering rapist?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Dredge
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Message 1784 of 1864 (910322)
04-21-2023 9:02 AM
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04-20-2023 11:19 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Tanypteryx writes:
gibberish
"the natural man does not accept what pertains to the Spirit of God, for to him it is foolishness, and he cannot understand it, because it is spiritually discerned." (1Cor 2:14)

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Message 1785 of 1864 (910324)
04-21-2023 9:32 AM
Reply to: Message 1766 by Tangle
04-20-2023 9:59 AM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Tangle, you state that you are an atheist; in fact a hard
atheist.
As a hard-core atheist you cannot rely on theistic
evolution to explain the origin of life.
You sir, must explain in detail how the first life originated.
I am not going to give you a pass on this.
If you cannot explain how life originated, NO, more than
that, you must prove how the first life began, or admit to
everyone on this site that you cannot.
What you believe is based on nothing but blind faith. It
has nothing to do with real science.
Life does not come from nonlife. Life coming from
preexisting life is the only fact that is verified.
Observable science verifies my assertion time and time
and time again.

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