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Dredge
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Message 1723 of 1864 (910131)
04-17-2023 2:03 PM
Reply to: Message 1720 by AZPaul3
04-16-2023 4:40 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
APauling666 writes:
your religious history has been a bloody terror for millennia.
Your knowledge of history appears to be a tad limited. Communist (ie, atheist) regimes killed at least 100 million people in less than a century.
That makes the death toll from 2000 years of Christianity look like a picnic.
https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/COM.ART.HTM

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Dredge
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Message 1731 of 1864 (910167)
04-18-2023 2:37 PM
Reply to: Message 1730 by AZPaul3
04-18-2023 12:25 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Atheists like you are too stupid to see that you're contradicting your own belief system. If there is no after-life and life is the result of mindless evolution, life has no meaning ... so why are you carrying on as if life does have meaning?
Since your belief system implies that life is meaingless, your moralistic complaints about "division" and "hatred" are vacuous and groundless - products of your delusion that life has meaning.
Division is as meaningless as unity and hatred is as meaningless as love. But you and your fellow atheists are too dumb to work that out.

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Dredge
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Message 1733 of 1864 (910170)
04-18-2023 2:58 PM
Reply to: Message 1730 by AZPaul3
04-18-2023 12:25 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
APauling666 writes:
the black from the white
Christianity divides "the black from the white"?
Please explain.

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Dredge
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Message 1734 of 1864 (910172)
04-18-2023 3:10 PM
Reply to: Message 1730 by AZPaul3
04-18-2023 12:25 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
APauling666 writes:
the black from the white
So says the hypocrite who would rather cut off his right hand than live in a black neighbourhood.

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Dredge
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Message 1737 of 1864 (910178)
04-18-2023 4:05 PM
Reply to: Message 1730 by AZPaul3
04-18-2023 12:25 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
APauling writes:
you go further and condemn people who think different, who act different, who are different.
So you're saying no atheists are racist or "homophobic", for example. That is far from the truth.
you go further and condemn people who think different, who act different, who are different.
Hypocrite. You condemn Christians bcoz they think different, act different, are different.

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Dredge
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Message 1739 of 1864 (910182)
04-18-2023 5:24 PM
Reply to: Message 1730 by AZPaul3
04-18-2023 12:25 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
APauling666 writes:
You and your religion cannot help but divide.
That is undoubtedly true ...
"I will put enmity between you and the woman,
and between your seed and her seed" (Genesis 3:15)
“Do not think that I have come to bring peace on earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s foes will be those of his own household" (Matt 10:34-36)
“When the Son of man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate them one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats, and he will place the sheep at his right hand, but the goats at the left." (Matt 25:31-33)
"He who believes in him is not condemned; he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. And this is the judgment, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil." (John 3:18-19)
"Though they know God’s decree that those who do such things deserve to die, they not only do them but approve those who practice them" (Romans 1:32)
"And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be loosed from his prison and will come out to deceive the nations which are at the four corners of the earth, that is, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea. And they marched up over the broad earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city; but fire came down from heaven and consumed them" (Rev 20:7-9)

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Dredge
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Message 1741 of 1864 (910185)
04-18-2023 5:48 PM
Reply to: Message 1732 by Tangle
04-18-2023 2:54 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Tangled writes:
Given that atheists don't suicide the moment they become atheists, perhaps there's something wrong with your premise?
That where the delusion of meaning comes in ... 99.99% of atheists have to delude themselves that their life has meaning bcoz they lack the courage to face up to the implications of their beliefs ... that life is meaningless.
I've no doubt that some atheists do suicide bcoz they correctly realize the logical implication of their atheist belief - ie, life is utterly meaningless (a recipe for suicide if ever there was one).
One way atheists attempt to inject meaning into their meaningless lives is by investing in a code of pseudo-morality based on equality (started the so-called Enlightenment),
which serves as a replacement for religion .

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Dredge
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Posts: 2850
From: Australia
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Message 1742 of 1864 (910186)
04-18-2023 6:02 PM
Reply to: Message 1732 by Tangle
04-18-2023 2:54 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Tangled writes:
Could it be that a superstitious belief in a 2,000 year old mythology is not required in order to find meaning in life?
Sure ... any delusion that provides "meaning" will do.
"Whatever Gets You Thru the Night" - a song by John Lennon (he should know, having been an idiotic dreamer par excellence).

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Dredge
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Message 1745 of 1864 (910190)
04-18-2023 6:53 PM
Reply to: Message 1743 by Tangle
04-18-2023 6:21 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Tangled writes:
You're telling me that my life is meaningless? I think you need to do a bit of thinking about that.
Some athesits are smart enough and courageous enough to recognise that their atheism implies life is meaningless ...
"When asked about the meaning of life, Alom Shaha, author of The Young Atheist’s Handbook, stated:
Yes, of course I know that life is ultimately without meaning or purpose, but the trick is not to wake up every morning and feel that way. Cognitive dissonance? Embrace it. Create a sense of meaning and purpose by doing something useful with your life"
______________________________
"Atheistic philosopher Alex Rosenberg ... The Atheist’s Guide to Reality: Enjoying Life Without Illusions ...
Is there a God? No.
What is the nature of reality? What physics says it is.
What is the purpose of the Universe? There is none.
What is the meaning of life? Ditto.
Why am I here? Just dumb luck.
What is the difference between right and wrong, good and bad? There is no moral difference between them.
Why should I be moral? Because it makes you feel better than being immoral.
Is abortion, euthanasia, suicide, paying taxes, foreign aid, or anything else you don’t like forbidden, permissible, or sometimes obligatory? Anything goes.
Does history have any meaning or purpose? It’s full of sound and fury, but signifies nothing.
Does the human past have any lessons for our future? Fewer and fewer, if it ever had any to begin with."
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"Graham Lawton, Executive Editor of New Scientist magazine, penned a brief article titled, “What is the Meaning of Life?” He began with his blunt, one line answer: “The harsh answer is ‘it has none.’” He went on to say: “Your life may feel like a big deal to you, but it’s actually a random blip of matter and energy in an uncaring and impersonal universe.""
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"Philosopher and self-professed atheist, Thomas Nagel, teaches and writes extensively on atheism’s implication of meaninglessness. In his brief book What Does it All Mean? A Very Short Introduction to Philosophy, he stated: “If you think about the whole thing, there seems to be no point to it at all. Looking at it from the outside, it wouldn’t matter if you had never existed. And after you have gone out of existence, it won’t matter that you did exist.”
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"Eminent atheistic author, debater, and spokesperson Richard Dawkins boldly said: “The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil and no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.”"
The Despair of Atheism - Apologetics Press

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Dredge
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Posts: 2850
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Message 1750 of 1864 (910231)
04-19-2023 5:04 PM
Reply to: Message 1748 by candle2
04-19-2023 8:13 AM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
candle2 writes:
AZ, some of your replies are ridiculous, they just don't
make any sense.
No one said atheists had to make sense.

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Dredge
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Message 1751 of 1864 (910232)
04-19-2023 5:11 PM
Reply to: Message 1747 by Tangle
04-19-2023 2:47 AM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Tangled writes:
Life IS meaningless, we all find our own meaning.
Wtf??? Life "IS meaningless " but it can also have meaning?
Have you been drinking?

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Dredge
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Posts: 2850
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Message 1754 of 1864 (910236)
04-19-2023 6:59 PM
Reply to: Message 1752 by Tangle
04-19-2023 5:50 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
In other words. life is meaningless, but let's pretend it isn't. Fascinating.
Little wonder people say atheists are stupid.

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Dredge
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Message 1755 of 1864 (910238)
04-19-2023 7:04 PM
Reply to: Message 1752 by Tangle
04-19-2023 5:50 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
"I think only an idiot can be an atheist."
Christian B. Anfinsen

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Dredge
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Message 1757 of 1864 (910241)
04-19-2023 9:04 PM
Reply to: Message 1756 by Theodoric
04-19-2023 8:11 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Theodorkic writes:
Interesting that you would quote a man that converted to atheism late in life.
Interesting that you have trouble differentiating between fact and fiction ...
"In 1979, Anfinsen converted to Orthodox Judaism, a commitment he retained for the rest of his life"
Nobel Laureate Christian B. Anfinsen on the Existence of GOD - posted by Administrator at 2012 Community

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Dredge
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Message 1760 of 1864 (910244)
04-19-2023 9:14 PM
Reply to: Message 1753 by AZPaul3
04-19-2023 6:18 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
APauling writes:
We can assign meaning to something that has no meaning.
Proof positive that atheists are worse than just shallow .... they're delusional and stupid.
Atheists say other stupid things, like
"There is no evidence that God exists"
and
"There is no evidence that miracles are real".

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