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Author Topic:   The Trump Post-Presidency and Insurrection
Theodoric
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Message 250 of 438 (909733)
04-09-2023 2:45 PM
Reply to: Message 249 by DrJones*
04-09-2023 2:05 PM


Re: Arguments Against Republicans as Fascists
And lying, and tax evasion, and illegally manipulating business records.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 260 of 438 (911008)
06-01-2023 8:22 AM
Reply to: Message 256 by dwise1
05-31-2023 11:47 PM


Re: How to Handle Trump's Incarceration?
No. This has never been contemplated in our history. There is nothing in the Constitution that talks about post-Presidency. The applicable laws are the Former Presidents Act of 1958 and The Former Presidents Protection Act of 2012. Congress can easily make a law limiting the protection of convicted ex-Presidents and will probably see the need to.
Former Presidents Act - Wikipedia

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 261 of 438 (911009)
06-01-2023 8:23 AM
Reply to: Message 258 by PaulK
06-01-2023 1:20 AM


Re: How to Handle Trump's Incarceration?
There are crazies everywhere that will want the fame. He will have to be isolated. He will have to be at a supermax because of the security risk and the fact that he will continue to be a huge intelligence risk. More than a couple countries will want to either reward him or silence him.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 262 of 438 (911010)
06-01-2023 8:23 AM
Reply to: Message 259 by Phat
06-01-2023 3:04 AM


Re: How to Handle Trump's Incarceration?
Why? What is the basis for this conclusion?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 272 of 438 (911094)
06-09-2023 3:11 PM
Reply to: Message 271 by Phat
06-09-2023 2:50 PM


Re: It Remains To Be Seen How Hard They Can Nail Him
Why do you have so.much trouble staying on topic? This is just another Gish Gallop.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 277 of 438 (911099)
06-09-2023 4:04 PM
Reply to: Message 276 by Phat
06-09-2023 4:01 PM


Re: It Remains To Be Seen How Hard They Can Nail Him
AI is not the topic here. More gish gallop.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 296 of 438 (913353)
10-24-2023 1:12 PM
Reply to: Message 293 by Phat
10-23-2023 10:00 PM


Re: The Trump Election Interference Indictment
Define "wokeness".

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 311 of 438 (914058)
12-22-2023 11:22 AM
Reply to: Message 310 by marc9000
12-22-2023 10:38 AM


Re: Trump Support Tends Toward the Violent and Undemocratic
Do you understand how our federal and state governments work? Have you read the US and Colorado Constitutions work?
Only one of the Justices are unelected and she will have to stand for election this next year.
Don't listen to right wing media. They lie.
Fact check: Are Colorado Supreme Court justices ‘unelected,’ as GOP has claimed? | CNN Politics

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 314 of 438 (914061)
12-22-2023 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 313 by marc9000
12-22-2023 11:43 AM


Re: Trump Support Tends Toward the Violent and Undemocratic
So you are ok with spreading lies and spouting unsupported bullshit? The justices are not unelected.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 320 of 438 (914067)
12-22-2023 12:52 PM
Reply to: Message 312 by AZPaul3
12-22-2023 11:37 AM


Re: Trump Support Tends Toward the Violent and Undemocratic
Yes we do live in a democracy. A republic is a type of democracy. It is not direct democracy it is representative democracy.
The U.S. Is Both a Republic and a Democracy

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 321 of 438 (914068)
12-22-2023 12:55 PM
Reply to: Message 317 by marc9000
12-22-2023 11:52 AM


Re: Trump Support Tends Toward the Violent and Undemocratic
They are elected. You are wrong. Nice shifting of goal posts. None of the US Supreme Court members are elected, so their decisions are illegitimate?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 332 of 438 (914079)
12-22-2023 9:18 PM
Reply to: Message 325 by marc9000
12-22-2023 7:54 PM


Re: Trump Support Tends Toward the Violent and Undemocratic
All 4 that voted in the majority have won election to retain their seats.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 344 of 438 (914113)
12-26-2023 6:15 PM
Reply to: Message 342 by marc9000
12-26-2023 4:41 PM


Re: Trump Support Tends Toward the Violent and Undemocratic
So they are elected.
We should ignore US Supreme Court decisions since they are unelected?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 360 of 438 (914146)
12-29-2023 3:05 PM
Reply to: Message 354 by marc9000
12-28-2023 6:19 PM


Re: Insurrection and the 14th amendment
Jefferson Davis never brandished weapons.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 369 of 438 (914175)
12-31-2023 6:44 PM
Reply to: Message 366 by marc9000
12-31-2023 4:19 PM


Re: Insurrection and the 14th amendment
Davis was charged with treason. The only reason he was not tried and convicted was because there was a general amnesty.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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