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Author Topic:   Exposing the evolution theory. Part 2
Kleinman
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Message 944 of 1104 (909720)
04-09-2023 11:35 AM
Reply to: Message 943 by AZPaul3
04-09-2023 11:24 AM


Re: problems with detecting design
Kleinman:
Their beliefs are so weird that vimesey thinks I can do photosynthesis.
AZPaul3:
Photosynthesis was not what vimesey was seeing but a scared lonely little man in his closed world screaming nothings into the void. It’s called a caricature. In this case, not a favorable one.
Kleinman the Plankton.

So, AZPaul3 can offer an explanation. Why doesn't AZPaul3 explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail?

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Kleinman
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Message 946 of 1104 (909722)
04-09-2023 12:13 PM
Reply to: Message 945 by Dredge
04-09-2023 11:52 AM


Re: problems with detecting design
Kleinman:
Their beliefs are so weird
Dredge:
Throw out the truth - as atheists do - and all you have left is nonsense and superstition.

It is worse than nonsense and superstition, it is harmful and destructive.
Kleinman:
vimesey thinks I can do photosynthesis. He pictures me as plankton!
Dredge:
I remember as a boy my grandfather saying that his great-grandfather was known for being able to perform partial-photosynthesis ... strong evidence that we share common ancestry with plants.

These biologists have laymen thinking they are related to fecal bacteria. I'm impressed with their ability to do a con job.

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Kleinman
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Posts: 2142
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Message 948 of 1104 (909726)
04-09-2023 12:42 PM
Reply to: Message 947 by Dredge
04-09-2023 12:19 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
Kleinman:
These biologists have laymen thinking they are related to fecal bacteria. I'm impressed with their ability to do a con job.
Dredge:
It's very sad that the noble science of biology has for decades been dominated by Darwinoid bs-artists and con-men.

Darwin got some things right, he correctly described descent with modification and adaptation, and biological competition. However, he didn't do the mathematics. Biologists have done ok when it comes to doing the mathematics of biological competition but failed to understand how it affects descent with modification and adaptation. If Darwin and biologists had done the mathematics of descent with modification and adaptation correctly, they would have seen that universal common descent is not possible. Darwin had a good excuse, he had no awareness of DNA or mutations, biologists on the other hand, have no excuse for their blunders and ongoing con job.

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Kleinman
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Message 950 of 1104 (909728)
04-09-2023 1:15 PM
Reply to: Message 949 by Tangle
04-09-2023 1:05 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
Tangle:
As an undergraduate Zoologist I lived with two Aeronautical Engineers. They explained mathematically to me that bumble bees can't fly.
Can't you think of any new lines? This is the same stupid argument people like you come up with when they can't explain how drug resistance evolves or why cancer treatments fail. By the way, I learned in engineering school that if you put big enough engine on anything, you can make it fly. Since I haven't brought up bumble bees anywhere in this discussion, only the physics and mathematics of biological evolution, explain why it takes a billion replications for each adaptive step in the Kishony and Lenski experiments. Or are you one of those biologists that think that experimentation and mathematics has no place in scientific analysis?

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Kleinman
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Message 953 of 1104 (909732)
04-09-2023 2:39 PM
Reply to: Message 952 by Dredge
04-09-2023 2:25 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
Kleinman:
explain why it takes a billion replications for each adaptive step in the Kishony and Lenski experiments. Or are you one of those biologists that think that experimentation and mathematics has no place in scientific analysis?
Dredge:
No wonder the Darwinoid cult doesn't like your mathematics ... a billion replications per adaptive step makes their common-descent bedtime story look like a bedtime story.

That's only the beginning of the story. The Kishony and Lenski biological evolutionary experiments are performed in a single selection environment. In a multiple selection pressure environment, the number of replications necessary for adaptation goes up exponentially. That's why 3-drug combination therapy (3 selection pressures) works for the treatment of HIV. Even HIV cannot reach a population size for descent with modification and adaptation to work when the evolutionary process has to evolve to 3 simultaneous selection conditions. That is what this mathematics is all about. Are chimps and humans related? No way, you just don't have the population size for this kind of evolutionary process to happen.

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Kleinman
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Posts: 2142
From: United States
Joined: 10-06-2016


Message 955 of 1104 (909736)
04-09-2023 3:38 PM
Reply to: Message 954 by Dredge
04-09-2023 3:09 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
Kleinman:
Are chimps and humans related? No way, you just don't have the population size for this kind of evolutionary process to happen.
Dredge:
Mission: Impossible.

Perhaps if they put some Starship Enterprise impulse engines on their idea of UCD, they could make it fly, at warped mind speed.

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Kleinman
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Message 957 of 1104 (909739)
04-09-2023 4:31 PM
Reply to: Message 956 by Dredge
04-09-2023 3:48 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
Kleinman:
That's only the beginning of the story. The Kishony and Lenski biological evolutionary experiments are performed in a single selection environment. In a multiple selection pressure environment, the number of replications necessary for adaptation goes up exponentially.
Dredge:
Ouch! You're a real party-pooper and balloon-burster ... not to mention having little aptitude for fairy-tales.

Oh, I like fairytales. When we were young we got Mother Goose, and now that we are older, we get Papa Gander.

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Kleinman
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Posts: 2142
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Joined: 10-06-2016


Message 959 of 1104 (909741)
04-09-2023 5:53 PM
Reply to: Message 958 by Dredge
04-09-2023 5:24 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
Kleinman:
When we were young we got Mother Goose, and now that we are older, we get Papa Gander.
Dredge:
I didn't get that one straight away.

The Darwinoid cultists are very devoted to Papa Gander - in fact, they much prefer PG to science and reality.

Have a happy and joyous resurrection day.

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Kleinman
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Posts: 2142
From: United States
Joined: 10-06-2016


Message 962 of 1104 (910551)
04-26-2023 4:38 PM
Reply to: Message 961 by dwise1
04-25-2023 4:11 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
Kleinman:
Even the concept of atheism is irrational. It implies the knowledge of everything in the universe.
dwise1:
Wow! Is there anything that you are not completely wrong about? Or are you just projecting your own deficiencies onto others?

Instead, it is theism that claims to have complete and perfect knowledge, whereas atheism is just saying "No, you don't have complete and perfect knowledge, especially about the supernatural." You also believe (and depend on entirely) in human infallibility, while we reject such a ridiculous belief.

Rather and clearly, it is the concept of theism that is irrational, because it implies complete and perfect knowledge of the supernatural which has been passed down perfectly and without error for many generations over millennia (ie, human infallibility), all of which is completely beyond human capability.

Theists claim to have complete and perfect knowledge about the supernatural and want to sell us their bill of goods. Atheists just refuse to buy that pig in a poke.

Seeing through a swindle and not falling for it is quite rational.

Don't you know the policy, you need to post on topic. Perhaps you want to try and do the mathematics of descent with modification and adaptation and explain why it takes a billion replications for each adaptive mutation in the Kishony and Lenski experiments? Here are two publications that show how the math is done.
For the Kishony experiment which evolves in an environment with a single selection pressure and with minimal competition such that fixation is not required:
The basic science and mathematics of random mutation and natural selection
And for the Lenski experiment which evolves in an environment with a single selection pressure but has intense competition such that fixation is required at each adaptive mutational step:
Fixation and Adaptation in the Lenski E. coli Long Term Evolution Experiment
If you find the mathematics hard to understand when fixation and adaptation must both occur for the evolutionary process, here is a short presentation video that explains the steps in detail for the Lenski experiment:
The Lenski Long Term Evolution Experiment
dwise1, if you feel that the mathematics is wrong, point out the error(s). If you think the physics is wrong, point that out. I don't think you will find any errors in either the math or the physics. This mathematics very closely fits the behavior of both the Kishony and Lenski biological evolutionary experiments and biologists have not understood or presented the behavior of either experiment correctly.

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