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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
jar writes: Why shouldn't progressives be poked fun at? You ridicule people all the time. And why should SOURCE take a back seat to CONTENT? You are "pitiful, pathetic, deplorable, despicable bigoted willfully ignorant, and dishonest." because you think woke has meaning, that progressive should be mocked, that source trumps content.
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1
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Here are a few I have read.
Trump is, in my opinion, a Nationalist but clearly not a Socialist. I Know Fascists; Donald Trump Is No Fascist <---From Atlantic The Atlantic Magazine:That was an old article from 2016, before the January 6th fiasco. There are more sources, however. Are Trump Republicans Fascists? Boston University: Personally, I think that a lot of the anger from Republican Populists stems from the fact that the economy is imploding and that they are being marginalized in order to address minority groups that used to be the marginalized ones. So there is some legitimate social unrest in the MAGA group. I do think that the Democrats need to address the concerns of marginalized populists regardless of the fact that many of them are white.
Is Trump a fascist? 8 experts weigh in. Vox: |If Trump manages to get out of the trouble he is in now, he will again carry a broad base of disenfranchised populists, but I doubt whether it will be enough of a majority to win. First, he has to refute the charges brought against him. I think that dredging up Stormy Daniels was a low blow, personally.
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Percy writes: I did not mention blacks at all. All I am defending is the notion that populist concerns should not be ignored. If you want to make it a black/white thing, I would only say that populists(many of them white) should NOT have to go to the back of the bus in the name of affirmative action. But I was NOT trying to make populism a black/white issue.
Why is it always the Republicans that have to deal with those uppity blacks? Why don't Democrats ever do anything about them? The Populists(a 2015 article) quote:Sometimes I feel this way, though I think I see both sides of the argument. quote:I think that if by some legal means Trump delays his judgement, he could prove to be a force in politics one last time. If our economy does collapse before then, he may be the only one that can pull us out of it,,,,albeit at the cost of damaging nearly every political alliance in existence. Is that Fascist? The question is the same as the one leveled at the German people in the twenties: Would you rather be broke?
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Percy writes: No, I wouldnt go that far, though I suspect that the Conservatives seem to understand some of my pet peeves while the Liberals act as if I'm making stuff up. I know how much you all loathe Tucker Carlson, and I also understand your argument that Fox News caters to what its audience wants to hear, but my friend sent me this clip of Carlson describing the upcoming collapse (or demise) of the US Dollar which just so happens to corroborate with what Ive been researching. Meanhile, the Democrats (many of you) act as if though its all made up. I think that "your side" wants to believe that the whole demise of the dollar thing is a Right Wing Conspiracy, and I believe that you are all WRONG. Prove me otherwise.
You appear to be suggesting that fascism is an alternative worth considering if it improves the economy. Short Clip
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Dont get your hopes up He will nearly walk
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Just a hunch. Of course I'm likely wrong. I don't see him being shut down, however.
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Why do you guys hate Trump so much? What is it about the money being given to the rich guys rather than the planet(or the people) Tax cuts dont help everyone while Green New Deals eventually do. We are nearly broke no matter which way we spend, however.
Being the moderate I am, I don't see Trump being levels worse than old Joe Biden himself. We have thrown everything but the kitchen sink at the Ukraine an a move that the military industrial complex needed. And I'm not against helping Zelensky. I'm just saying that one undisclosed motive was to gear our military industrial complex up into rebuilding our own military stocks. I would say that we are already in the early stages of World War III.
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
I'm not galloping anywhere. I just cant understand why everyone wants to nail the old guy so bad. Maybe it will all come out in the wash.
What would you do if he somehow skated through all of this and ran for president again? Would you be disgusted with the justice system? Suspicious of a conspiracy? Seems like for an alleged crook he still has lots of support. The sad thing is that the Republicans have nobody better to run.
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
One reason that I dont trust you guys is because you are too one-sided. You see politics through rose colored glasses and not through human nature and history.
I wouldn't vote Biden in again, personally. The old guy is liable to lose it entirely. And the Liberals are too far to the Left. We need moderates like Obama was. Even like Reagan. The extremes in politics are worrisome.
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Your education never helped you to understand the threat posed by unregulated AI. This despite being a software guy. Unplug it indeed! Its already too late. (Sorry...off topic)
Then maybe you should just shut the fuck up and try to get that Stupid out of your head with more education.
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
What is TDSS?
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Percy writes: The reason that I re ask many of the same questions is because not only am I unimpressed with the quick answers...I think that many of you can think and go deeper. (Many of you would expect the same from me) Im not pro Trump. I saw the detailed list of chrages against him and I fully agree that he needs to answer those charges. I also think he has tainted any credibility to run again. What I still dont understand, however, is comments such as "Can we take his retirement?"...Democrats think that the government should control our money and I will forever disagree with this. I still think asking why we hate Trump was the wrong question, because it implies irrationality and/or emotionality. A better question is why we think Trump is a seriously flawed person and a bad leader for the country, and there was no need for Phat to ask this question because we've been very explicit and detailed about Trump for years. But this is what Phat does, ask the same question over and over again, no matter that it's been answered many times. Government is of by and for the people...ALL of the people...and some of us want a smaller government who has no authority over every dime we own...(as if they always owned it)
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Upon reading that indictment and summation, I can clearly see the case against Trump.
Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. To the populist conservatives, many of whom I know and many who have and will continue to defend Trump, I can only say to move on. Trump is not the only choice for president. They would argue that he is what America needs to reclaim its greatness. I would ask incredulously "Really? Is THAT all you've got?" Whats sad is that no conservative can think outside that box. If we have to count on Trump to turn the country towards a better direction than wokeness, we cant count on Trump. He will promote more division. Edited by Phat, .
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Percy: For the record, I see two things happening with Donald Trump. (DISCLAIMER: I will most definitely NOT vote for him. He is currently off the ballot in my state (Colorado) but I wont EVER vote for him regardless. I have stated before that I am a moderate to conservative Christian but NOT a Republican and NOT pro Trump. Now or ever.) The two things that I see happening in the future are:1) Donald Trump will be our next president. 2) Towards the end of his term, he will be revealed to be the AntiChrist. Matt 24:3-28 writes:
3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. "Tell us," they said, "when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?" 4 Jesus answered: "Watch out that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many. 6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of birth pains. 9 "Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. 15 "So when you see standing in the holy place 'the abomination that causes desolation,' spoken of through the prophet Daniel-let the reader understand- 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Donald Trump will make a false peace with Israel and will then stand in the Temple and say that he is God. Fortunately for all of us "normals" he is NOT God nor will he anything more than a god...an antichrist. He is the diametric opposite of Jesus Christ. Edited by Phat, : fixed mistakes. Edited by Phat, .
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Theo writes: He could get a bond, but who would guarantee it? Whats scary is that one name pops to mind that could pay it...Putin. Just another crimeat that point. Though I have no evidence, I suspect that Putin helped Trump in the past and has dirt on him. They would have to get real slick in order to pull that one off. World War III would be a likely consequence if the Czar helped him.(and assuming he won the election)
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